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Evan JENKINS. b.ab. 1882-3
« on: Saturday 13 August 11 02:15 BST (UK) »
Hello,

My Grandfather, Evan Jenkins, son of Evan Jenkins (1848-1916) and Grace (Gowman - 1846-1937) had several siblings, Alfred-1875, Grace-1878, Lillian-1880, Fred,-1884, William-1886, Ernest-1888, Albert-1890, Caroline- 1892,  & Eva- 1892, twins, John Ivor- 1894, Victor Alexander- 1898.

Five (5) of these children were born in Africa, we believe at Cape Verde Is. they being Evan, Fred, William, Ernest & Albert, even though they all used to say they were born in Swansea.  The 1901 Census says Cape Colony, but this seems to have been penciled in.  Both Evans are missing from this Census, I believe Evan Jnr was at the Boer War as a Kitchener Scout.

The father Evan Snr. was a Manager for Cory & Sons, shipping people and one of his jobs out in Africa was to dive down under the ships to check them.  I am told one of his dive suits is in the Museum.

What I would like to know is how were these overseas births registered if anyone knows please?  Were they registered as overseas and/or Wales, or both?

Many thanks.  Chrissie.  :) :) :)

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Re: Evan JENKINS. b.ab. 1882-3
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 13 August 11 23:20 BST (UK) »
births should be registered where they happen. If a British national was born overseas at that time, the birth may, or may not, be registered with the nearest consulate. These records then appear in the GRO Consular Birth Indices. Possibles for yours

Frederick George Jenkins Cape Verde Islands vol 8 pg 1887
Albert Edward Jenkins Cape Verde Islands vol 8 pg 1893

Birth certificates for these registrations can be ordered from the GRO.


1881 census shows Evan junior as born in Swansea

Nightingale Row, Clase, Swansea RG11/5353 folio 98 pg 57
Evan Jenkins head mar 31 blacksmith b. Loughor
Evan son 5 b. Swansea
Grace dau 4 b. Swansea
Elizabeth dau 1 b. Swansea
Grace wife 25 b. Bristol, Gloucestershrie
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Evan JENKINS. b.ab. 1882-3
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 14 August 11 00:52 BST (UK) »
Many thanks Osprey,

Well that puts a different light on it all doesn't it?  I really will have to get some Birth Certificates.  My dad, son of Evan Jnr, was Albert Edward also, must have been named after his Uncle.  Unfortunately my Dad was orphaned by the time he was 5, so he knew very little family history.

Dad's cousin has "done the Jenkins family history", but I am finding so many discrepencies, I think I had better go back to the beginning and verify everything for myself.

Cheers from Oz.  Chrissie.     :) :) :)

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Re: Evan JENKINS. b.ab. 1882-3
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 14 August 11 10:52 BST (UK) »
Always best to do your own research, more satisfying as well!

Think I can see where the 1882 birth date for Evan comes from. Looks like Alfred & Evan are the wrong way around on the 1891 census.

1891 11 Wood St, Barry RG12/4407 folio 11 pg 15
Evan Jenkins head mar 40 marine smith b. Loughor
Grace wife 34 b. Bristol
Alfred son 15 b. Swansea
Grace dau 13 b. Swansea
Elizabeth dau 11 b. Swansea
Evan son 9 b. Swansea
Ernest Vincent son 6 b. St Vincent Cape Verde Islands
Frederick George son 4 b. St Vincent
Albert Edward son 2 b. St Vincent
William Gowmon son 4 months b. Barry
James Homer boarder 32 smith's sinker b. Swansea

1901 19 Wyndham St, Barry RG13/4993 folio18 pg 27
Grace Jenkins head mar b. Bristol
Lily dau 20 b. Swansea
Ernest son 16 clerk railway b. Africa 
Fred son 14 b. Africa coal merchant's asst
Albert son 12 b. Africa
Carry dau 8 b. Barry
Eva dau 8 b. Barry
Ivor son 6 b. Barry
Victor son 2 b. Barry

So Lily is Elizabeth, not Lilian.

There is a record of an Evan Jenkins trooper in the Imperial Yeomany who was in the Boer War, but it gives no date or place of birth, so may, or may not, be yours.

The Glamorgan Archives in Cardiff hold early records for Cory Brothers
http://www.archiveswales.org.uk/anw/get_collection.php?inst_id=33&coll_id=2087&expand=

You could ask them to search, but it would cost something, unless someone from the board is visiting & could look for you.
http://www.glamro.gov.uk/where%20are%20we.html

marriage reg of parents
Evan Jenkins june qtr 1874 Swansea vol 11a pg 1049 with Grace Gowman on the same page
 
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb


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Re: Evan JENKINS. b.ab. 1882-3
« Reply #4 on: Monday 15 August 11 08:37 BST (UK) »
Hello Osprey,

Once again many thanks for your info.   :) :D :).  I am finding it a bit strange that Evan was listed as being in existence for the 1881 census as 5 years old and then he turns into Alfred and pops up again in 1891 as a child born in abt. 1882.

I have been able to track an Alfred on later census.  I don't have my grandfathers birth certificate, so I will get one from Wales.  His marriage cert. which I have, says he was 24 in 1905, but between you and me, and the rest of the family, one really couldn't believe everything he said.  Like for instance when he joined up here in Australia for WW1, he said he was not married, then a widower and then had to own up that he was married.  He had left my grandmother Mary (Jones) and his 2 eldest children, Evan Phillip and Hilda Mary in Wales, so he could see the world.

So thanks for your help.  I no doubt will have some more questions soon.

Cheers from Oz.  Chrissie

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Re: Evan JENKINS. b.ab. 1882-3
« Reply #5 on: Monday 15 August 11 18:34 BST (UK) »
sorry, I seem to have added to the confusion. Evan in 1881 is the right one, I think. Then in the 1891 census, the names are the wrong way around, so Evan should be aged 15 & Alfred 9.

Think the 1881 is likely to be correct as they would be unlikely to put on the form a son not even born yet!

Possibly this birth reg
Evan Jenkins sept qtr 1876 Swansea vol 11a pg 708

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Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Evan JENKINS. b.ab. 1882-3
« Reply #6 on: Friday 18 November 11 21:13 GMT (UK) »
Hi everyone,   :)

Well I am more confused than ever now.  I have a copy of Alfred's Birth Certificate, born 22/8/1875, 36 Waterloo St Swansea.

Meanwhile my cousin in Wales is trying to track down Evan's Birth Certificate for me, but it is being a little illusive........ :D

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Re: Evan JENKINS. b.ab. 1882-3
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 19 November 11 12:30 GMT (UK) »
that's very strange! I take it the birth cert has the correct parents? There's an Evan Jenkins registered march qtr 1882 Swansea vol 11a pg 673. You could ask the registrars, email

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So, why is Alfred on the 1881 as Evan? Human error?

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Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Evan JENKINS. b.ab. 1882-3
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 19 November 11 14:04 GMT (UK) »
Hi Osprey,  Many thanks.   :)

It must be human error on the 1881 Census or something.  The 1891 Census must be the correct one.
The parents are correct - Evan Jenkins and mother Grace (Gowman) on the Birth Cert.  We will keep digging away until we find it.

Cheers.  Chrissie 246    :D