Colchester. Fishmongers Halls & Bare/Bear

[ds0706]

Is anyone else researching either of these families? I am trying to piece the many Halls members who were fishmongers/oyster packers in Colchester, and noticed that there is another family in the same trade who have Halls as a middle name which goes back at least to 1800

JOHN HALLS BEAR - International Genealogical Index    Parents: William & Elizabeth BEAR
Gender: Male Christening: 10 OCT 1802 Saint Mary The Virgin At The Walls, Colchester, Essex, England       

The IGI is patchy, to say the least, in Colchester, so I wondered if there is more info anywhere?

regards
Doreen

[cep]

1851 Colchester

Surname Forename   Age   Born         Folio

BARE   JOSEPH      21   COLCHESTER   ESS   65   CCB
BARE   LYDIA      19   COLCHESTER   ESS   65   CCB
BARE   JOHN W      2m   COLCHESTER   ESS   65   CCB

BARE   WILLIAM      44   COLCHESTER   ESS   246   CCV
BARE   JOSEPH H   42   COLCHESTER   ESS   246   CCV
BARE   SUSAN      42   MALDON      ESS   246   CCV
BARE   FANNY      16   COLCHESTER   ESS   246   CCV
BARE   THOS. JAS.   11   COLCHESTER   ESS   246   CCV
BARE   MARGARET E   9   IPSWICH      SFK   246   CCV
BARE   CORNELIUS A   7   IPSWICH      SFK   246   CCV
BARE   SUSAN E      5   IPSWICH      SFK   246   CCV
BARE   HELLEN G   3   COLCHESTER   ESS   246   CCV

BARE   JOHN HALLS   48   COLCHESTER   ESS   275   CCV
BARE   MARIA      24   FRATING      ESS   275   CCV
BARE   FREDK.      16   IPSWICH      SFK   275   CCV
BARE   EMMA JANE   11   COLCHESTER   ESS   275   CCV
BARE   HALLS      1   COLCHESTER   ESS   275   CCV


1861 Colchester

BARE   JOSEPH      31   Colchester   Labourer   1097   82   CCB
BARE   LYDIA      28   Colchester   Tailoress   1097   82   CCB
BARE   JOHN      10   Colchester   Scholar      1097   82   CCB

BARE   WILLIAM      54   Colchester   Gent      1100   10   CCN
BARE   JOSEPH HALLS   52   Colchester   Fishmonger   1100   10   CCN
BARE   SUSANNAH   51   Maldon            1100   10   CCN
BARE   MARGARET E   20   Ipswich      Assistant   1100   10   CCN
BARE   ELLEN      13   Colchester   Scholar      1100   10   CCN
BARE   WILLIAM      9   Colchester   Scholar      1100   10   CCN
BARE   WILLIAM ALFRED   2   Colchester   Grandson   1100   10   CCN

BARE   JOHN HALLS   58   Colchester   House Agent   1098   124   CCW
BARE   MARIA      34   Frating            1098   124   CCW
BARE   AGNES A      30   Colchester   Governes   1098   124   CCW
BARE   EDWARD J A   21   Colchester   Insurance Clerk   1098   124   CCW
BARE   MARY H      8   Colchester   Scholar      1098   124   CCW
BARE   CATHERINE M   3   Colchester         1098   124   CCW
MANNING   Mary      29 S in law Frating   Mortgagee

CCB   Colchester  St Botolph
CCV   Colchester  ?
CCN   Colchester  St Nicholas
CCW   Colchester  St Mary at the Walls

[cep]

Sorry, posted before the formatting was complete.

1861 William, age 54, is Brother to Joseph Halls Bare

Does anyone know how to preserve formatting when copying from Excel?


Regards   CP

[ds0706]

Hi CP
Sorry, I don't seem to have had an email alert for your reply, and I had forgotten I had asked the question!

Have just been playing with paste+BBC tags, but they don't seem to do anything much in preserving tabs or borders, and when I tried to copy & paste back into Excel, it treats each line as a continuous text item (ie without tabs). Yuk!

Can't be helped, other message boards seem to be the same and I suppose the alternative would be too memory-hungry to be practical.

Thank you anyway for the census items, just wish I could figure out which Halls daughter married which Bare son, because the Halls' business does seem to have started thriving from that time onwards.

Cheers
Doreen

[julian halls]

I am researching Halls and have come across a Robert Halls who was a fishmonger in the very early 1800's  and have a marraige cert for him for Cosford now Sudbury but home parish was St Peters in Colchester. Also some reference to a Halls fishmonger who was listed as going bankrupt.

Julian

[ds0706]

Hi Julian
Sorry, need a bit more info there... robert was a common name in that family, and all of them, I think, were fishmongers.  This isn't actually my family, I'm researching for a friend, and his line is George b 1791, James b 1825, Alfred b 1865 (all Colchester), then George b 1906 St Albans.

I tracked most of them though the censuses and baptisms, so I have quite a lot tied into family groups, but i'd need you to be a bit more specific , or I could be typing all night 

Willing to help
Doreen

[julian halls]

Unfortunately nothing seems to match. Happy to share Family tree on genes re united if you want to go there for your friend Julian

[nicholas.bare]

Dear Doreen

Apologies for being thirteen years late to respond to your request, but I think I might be able to help you with your request, if you haven't already found what you are looking for.

I have recently been conducting some research into my own family, Baré, and have hit a connection with the Halls from Colchester in the 1790s. My 5 x grandfather William Baré married an Ellizabeth Halls (parents Robert Halls - Mary Nash). Halls has been a prominent second name in my family ever since.

Their first son, Robert William Halls Baré (who was baptised Bear as you point out, no doubt due to the Napoleonic Wars) and his family moved to London where they continued to be fishmongers in the West End. Two generations later, they moved to New Zealand.

Though as pointed out above, many Barés remained in Colchester, with Joseph having the biggest family. There are also a number of Baré families in London who remained.

I would be very pleased to share information with you and in kind to learn from you.

Kind regards, Nicholas 

[ds0706]

Hi Nicholas
I'm afraid I deleted the tree 3 years ago after passing over my finds & needed to make space.  I would have loved to have helped you, and your info does seem to be right for the Halls I was researching, but i don't even seem to have kept a ged or paf file to restore from. Sorry!
In case you haven't found this yet...
It may help your searches to use https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp (free, just need to reg) because it now shows the mother's name on births 1837-1917, & ages at death 1837-1957. It also shows full middle names. Great in places like Colchester & London where its a problem to sort out who a kid belongs to (mostly). Just remember...Mother's baby, father's maybe :-)

Thank you for replying though. Happy hunting
Doreen