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Islay weavers
« on: Tuesday 06 September 11 14:34 BST (UK) »
My greatx2 grandfather Alexander Sinclair was born in Ulster. I have just discovered he had an elder brother Archibald who according to the 1851 census was born in Argyll, Islay; however the 1861 census gives his place of birth as Ireland Their parents were Alexander Sinclair, a linen weaver, and Margaret Morrison. My concern is to establish whether the Islay link is plausible. Can anyone confirm whether there was a weaving industry, linen or otherwise, in Islay and whether there was a decline in the early 1800s that would result in a family moving to Ulster. Any other thoughts or suggestions are very welcome.  Alex.
Sinclair: Lanarkshire & Antrim; McDougall: Bute; Ramsay: Invernesshire; Thomson & Robertson: Perthshire; Brown: Argyll; Scott: Ayrshire: Duff: Fife.

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Re: Islay weavers
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 06 September 11 14:49 BST (UK) »
Alex, do you think the ennumerator has just picked them up wrong?     Skoosh.

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Re: Islay weavers
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 06 September 11 15:16 BST (UK) »
Skoosh, Problem is one or other census is clearly wrong, but which one? The 1851 census states "Argyle, Islay" and is much more specific than the 1861 census which simply states "Ireland". I have another ancestor who was born in Scotland but brought up in Ulster who was stated as born in Ireland in a subsequent Scottish census. Unfortunately Archibald Sinclair is a lodger in both the 1851 and 1861 census and so there are no other family members to research. His death certificate shows that he is a widower but I can find no trace of his wife, Mary Ann Bailly. Alex.
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Re: Islay weavers
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 07 September 11 00:01 BST (UK) »
I can’t really answer your question about the linen industry in Islay. What I would say is that many homes and farms in Ulster (and I suspect Islay) had a bit of hand loom weaving as a side industry rather than as the main source of income. It was very labour intensive and home weaving disappeared in Ulster around the 1850s due to mechanisation. I suspect it might have been the same in Scotland.

It’s not very far from Islay to Co Antrim. 25 miles or thereabouts. On a clear day you can see Islay easily from Ireland. (The 3 distilleries of Lagavulin, Laphroaig and Ardbeg on the south coast are all painted white and are very visible). In the 1800s, and earlier, people travelled back and forth all the time.
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Re: Islay weavers
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 07 September 11 12:06 BST (UK) »
Thanks for your input. Since my initial post I have found some on-line references to a book on the history of Islay by Clifford Jupp which confirms that there was a linen weaving industry in Islay in the 18th century but  this was undermined by the import of cheaper cotton. As the name Sinclair was also common in Islay at this time my Islay connection is certainly plausible but by no means proved. Problem is that I can find no trace of my Sinclair line in Ulster other than through subsequent Scottish documents (which place them in Antrim) and I have only one reference to support the Islay possibility. I will keep researching and hopefully the answer is there to be found.  Alex.
Sinclair: Lanarkshire & Antrim; McDougall: Bute; Ramsay: Invernesshire; Thomson & Robertson: Perthshire; Brown: Argyll; Scott: Ayrshire: Duff: Fife.

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Re: Islay weavers
« Reply #5 on: Friday 27 January 12 06:12 GMT (UK) »
Hello Sonofthom.

My Kirkland link goes back to Islay for 1841 where the family are staying next to a family of weavers (Initially I thought that they were also HLW - Hand Loom Weavers but there is no occupation given for William Kirkland). When I have looked at Jane White's death her father was a given as a taylor/tailor.  Her father was an Alexander White and his wife was a Sinclair from Islay.  I think the tailor and weaver may be closely related.  There are some families who stayed and weaved on Islay - I even think some of the Kirklands were weavers.  There was another family too called Adair they stayed on the island and continued to weave.  Alexander's wife's mother was a McVoran which apparently can be interpreted as Morrison.

I am hoping to get up to Islay in May to have a look around.

Yours NG.
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DMS interests - as KBC.

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Murray: > 1920 in Longbenton/Forest Hall; Howick 1920's
Elliott: North Nbld 1800's
Straughan/Straphen: North Nbld 1800's and 1910's/1920's Craster.
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Mullarky: as same
Ginnelly: as same

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Re: Islay weavers
« Reply #6 on: Friday 27 January 12 17:32 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Northern Girl. Apparently the Islay Sinclairs had previously been known as MacNacaerds but for some reason they all changed their name to Sinclair and the alternative form died out by about 1750 - it doesn't make it any easier when there were such substantial name changes, as is also the case with McVoran/Morrison. My greatx2 grandfather was born in Ulster in about 1813 and so far the only sibling I have traced is his brother Archibald who was probably born in Islay in about 1799.. The family returned to Scotland in 1840, although they had been in Renfrewshire a few years before that. I clearly need to trace brothers and sisters of Alexander and Archibald but so far they are proving elusive! Enjoy your trip to Islay - so far I have never been there but a family connection seems a good excuse for a visit - perhaps this year.

Alex.
Sinclair: Lanarkshire & Antrim; McDougall: Bute; Ramsay: Invernesshire; Thomson & Robertson: Perthshire; Brown: Argyll; Scott: Ayrshire: Duff: Fife.

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Re: Islay weavers
« Reply #7 on: Monday 28 May 12 08:09 BST (UK) »
Hello again Alex.

I went up to Islay for a few days which proved quite productive.  I was blessed with some very sunny weather - too hot really.  The views were fantastic.

I had a look at a few books for sale that have been written about the island.  I didn't have time to see if there was a library around that I could use.  I had a quick look through the books.  As much as I can make out the island was improved by one of the Campbell family who imported weavers from the Glasgow area.  There is a small hamlet on the east shore called Keills and it was there that the weavers were housed.  I think the investment was not successful and the weavers either went elsewhere or changed occupations.

I spent my last day looking around for the place where my Kirkland family were in 1841.  The place name has the vexing title of Leacachrin - or something like that.  It was near or between Balulve and Mulreesh.  There are traces of old buildings that were apparently part of a lead mine but I cannot say for certain which would have housed a group of weavers and their families.  Even in the basking sunshine the conditions are harsh and potentially desolate.

I don't know what time frame this imported weavers experiment was but think it may have been in the middle or late 1700's. I'm going to see if I can get a copy of the books here in England.

Jacqueline.
SCOTLAND
KBC interests - Murray and Shaw: Blacklock and Kirkland.
DMS interests - as KBC.

ENGLAND
Northumberland
Murray: > 1920 in Longbenton/Forest Hall; Howick 1920's
Elliott: North Nbld 1800's
Straughan/Straphen: North Nbld 1800's and 1910's/1920's Craster.
Henderson(nee Elliott)/Brodie Haydon Bridge 1900's
Bell (nee Elliott) Christon Bank/Embleton 1900's

IRELAND
County Mayo
Mills: Erris Head and Gortmellia
Mullarky: as same
Ginnelly: as same

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Re: Islay weavers
« Reply #8 on: Monday 28 May 12 09:53 BST (UK) »
Have a read of this Islay site  http://www.islayinfo.com/islay_campbells_campbell.html  which puts the time frame a little earlier 1700 to 1750's given the Shawfield connection it may also explain the alleged connection to Glasgow.