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Help pls deciphering Swiss baptism records
« on: Monday 19 September 11 11:05 BST (UK) »
Some of the text in these two baptism records from the parish of Thierachern (SE of Bern) elude me.

I can make out:

eine eheliche Anna Susanna geboren 13 Dec 1854
Christian Mügeli, ? , Landjäger dahier, von
Magdalena Großglauser, ? von Münsingen
cop. Hindelbank 1850 October 11
Christian Großglauser, der Mutter Bruder
Susanna Unser, Rudolfs, des Schullehrers, ? ? ?
Anna Mussenti g. Großglauser, der Mutter Schwester von ? ?
Schein Jan 14/15 ? ?

eine eheliche Elise Bertha geb. 26 Jany
Christian Mügeli, ? , Landjäger dahier
Magd. Großglauser, ? von Münsingen
Jakob Hüber

I would greatly appreciate some help to fill in the gaps.

Many thanks, Justin

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Re: Help pls deciphering Swiss baptism records
« Reply #1 on: Monday 19 September 11 11:45 BST (UK) »
Hi Justin,

Are you able to attach the images?

Cheers
Prue

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Re: Help pls deciphering Swiss baptism records
« Reply #2 on: Monday 19 September 11 12:06 BST (UK) »
Yes, it would help wouldn't it.

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Re: Help pls deciphering Swiss baptism records
« Reply #3 on: Monday 19 September 11 13:29 BST (UK) »
Still some question marks, but hopefully helpful:

eine eheliche Anna Susanna geboren 13 Dec 1854
Christian Mügeli, Emanuels ?, Landjäger dahier, von
Magdalena Großglauser, Niklausius, von Münsingen
cop. Hindelbank 1850 October 11
Christian Großglauser, der Mutter Bruder
Susanna Unfer, Rudolfs, des Schullehrers, von u. in hier,
Anna Messerli, g. Großglauser, der Mutter Schwester von Uetendorf
Schein Jan 14/15 nach Vinelz

eine eheliche Elise Bertha geb. 26 Jany
Christian Mügeli, ?Emanuelisohn, Landjäger dahier
Magd. Großglauser, Nikl., von Münsingen
Jakob Hubacher, Großrath, Müller dahier
Anna Scheidegger, geb. Tanner, v. Huttwyl in Thun
Elise ?Nobel, Niklauss, von Seedorf


Tricky, isn't it!
Adrian

P.S. I think a Landjäger in Switzerland is like a rural policeman/gendarme or similar.

EDIT: Just noticed the stuff in the right-hand column! Lüscherz, K[reis] Vinelz. Explains the last two words in the first pic: "nach Vinelz".


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Re: Help pls deciphering Swiss baptism records
« Reply #4 on: Monday 19 September 11 15:34 BST (UK) »
Adrian,

Ausgezeichnet!

Do you think Emanuelsohn and Niklausius are the maiden names of Christian's and Magdalena's mothers?

Justin

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Re: Help pls deciphering Swiss baptism records
« Reply #5 on: Monday 19 September 11 15:39 BST (UK) »
Hi Justin,
I reckon they're their father's first names. Christian son of Emanuel Mügeli, Magdalena daughter of Nikοlaus Großglauser.

Gruß,
Adrian

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Re: Help pls deciphering Swiss baptism records
« Reply #6 on: Monday 19 September 11 18:24 BST (UK) »
"Landjäger war in Teilen des deutschen Sprachraums vom späten 18. Jahrhundert bis weit in die 1930er Jahre die offizielle Bezeichnung für besondere Polizeikräfte, die speziell mit Ordnungsaufgaben in ländlichen Gebieten betraut waren. Landjäger-Korps umfassten sowohl berittene Einheiten als auch solche zu Fuß.
Landjäger-Korps existierten beispielsweise in Anhalt, Braunschweig (nach 1920), Mecklenburg-Strelitz, in Württemberg und in der Schweiz."
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landj%C3%A4ger_%28Polizei%29
old picture for Switzerland - a wine named after them: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_UcUR9jyxJJk/TCL7pkehGrI/AAAAAAAAAEw/eMKglFuu2n4/s1600/Bild+017.jpg

correct Police/Gendarm!

" I reckon they're their father's first names. Christian son of Emanuel Mügeli, Magdalena daughter of Nikοlaus Großglauser."
in any case not firstnames of their fathers!!!
hard to read but is not "Emanuelson" . possible a latin word in direction to the following occupation and "Niklausius" i also read but not clear what meant.


Moderator Comment: URL edited as it was producing a "400 not understood" error.

translation confirms apwrights comment
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P.S. I think a Landjäger in Switzerland is like a rural policeman/gendarme or similar.
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Re: Help pls deciphering Swiss baptism records
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 20 September 11 07:26 BST (UK) »
Guten morgen allerseits!

The Swiss chap who provided the images says they are indeed the fathers' forenames. I have asked him for an explanation of Niklausius and his reading of the name written after Mügeli.

He has also located the marriage record for Christian and Magdalena.

Mügeli Christian Niklaus Em?
von Lüscherz, Landjäger
Grosglauser Magdalena, Nikl?
? von ?

Rgds, Justin

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Re: Help pls deciphering Swiss baptism records
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 20 September 11 08:23 BST (UK) »
Grüezi mitenand (as we're in Switzerland! :))

The last two words are "von hier".

I think the bit that looks like /n6 here (and probably the bit that looks like 1/6 after Emanuel in image #1, and the "sohn" bit after Emanuel in image #2) is possibly sel. for selig. "Christian Mügeli son of the late Emanuel".
See http://forum.ahnenforschung.net/showthread.php?t=48596
(Niklaus seems to be a popular name with the Eidgenossen!)

... except that this marriage says that Magdalena's dad's dead, but the later births say that it's Christian's dad who's dead... hmmm  :-\

Adrian