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Re: Catherine ????? 1851
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 25 May 11 09:23 BST (UK) »
Hi KGarrad, Heather, groom & JenB,
Many thanks for your suggestions and inputs.
It looks as if I might be able to make some headway as a direct result of your time and efforts.
Yes Hemus looks favourite and she is on 1851 as formally farmers wife ( 1841 ).
The Pershore death looks relevant also.
Joseph C Bell married a Charlotte Drinkwater and I notice that Drinkwater is listed on the 1841 that was supplied.
I'm truly indebted to you all for the info. and am sorry for the delay in my responce.
regards to you all,
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Re: Catherine ????? 1851
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 25 May 11 11:40 BST (UK) »
Interesting coincidence of surname and birthplace?

1861 census
RG 9 / 2106 / 56 / 11
Pershore
Peter Hemus, head, m, 43, colt breaker, Pembrokeshire, Angle

1851 census
HO 107 / 2045 / 225 / 21
High Street Pershore
Peter Axton Hemus, head, widower, 32, colt breaker, Wales Pembrokeshire


And on Family Search
Baptism, at Angle, Pembrokeshire, 11th August 1822, Caroline Hemus, parents Joseph & Catherine Hemus.


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Re: Catherine ????? 1851
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 26 May 11 09:00 BST (UK) »
IMHO, Elizabeth Hemus aged 40 in 1851 is most lightly a widow at her mrge to William Ba(e)ll,  ???  they married at all, and where not just living as H&W by 1851.
Therefore I believe Elizabeth was not baptised as a Hemus in Pembrokeshire but under some other surname. Thus making Caroline Hemus the mother of Elizabeth’s 1st husband whom she would have mrd in circa 1831, but not in Pembrokeshire. The birth certificate of Joseph or Emily would immediately clarify my very humble opinion.
Whilst the baptism of Caroline is confirmed at Angle, this is the only Hemus baptism there,  the baptism of Peter does not currently appear in all the wide surrounding parishes of Pembrokeshire.
The mrge of Peter Axton Hemus in 1839 in Gloucester Reg District may confirm any relationship to Caroline through the father shown on the certificate.
I would also suggest that the Hemus family of Abergavenny area should not be overlooked, an important transit location then, as today on my travels between Pembrokeshire and the Worcestershire area of your research and my far off youth.
If no one else has done it before me I will check out the Hemus surname in the early Angle registers and let you know any outcome.
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Re: Catherine ????? 1851
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 26 May 11 11:40 BST (UK) »
Hi JenB and Orielbenfro,
Many thanks Jen for the info. re Peter in Pershore.
Also thanks Orielbenfro for your theory re Elizabeth 'Wife' of William Bell. Always assumed that his age 25 on 1851 should have read 35 as 1841 gives 20-24 range.
Many thanks, your help and take on the problem greatly appreciated.
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Catherine Hemus c. 1792
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 22 September 11 23:01 BST (UK) »
Hi all,
Catherine Hemus appears on 1851 in Strensham Worcestershire age 58 and mother in law of William Bell ( Her daughter Elizabeth also appears )
Mother and daughter both born Pembroke.
Catherine died Q3 1873 ( 82 ) reg. in Pershore Worcs. and also a Joseph Hemus died Q3 1857 ( no age ) in Pershore.           I can find no sign of Catherine '41 '61 or '71

IGI lists a Caroline Hemus 11.08.1822 in Angle Pembroke f. Joseph  mo. Catherine but has no record of an Elizabeth ( William Bells 'wife' ) or a marriage of parents Joseph & Catherine.

Any help in locating Elizabeth's birth details and/or Joseph & Catherine's marriage would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: Catherine Hemus c. 1792
« Reply #14 on: Friday 23 September 11 00:19 BST (UK) »
Hi robsdad  :)

Your other thread on Catherine probably shows them in Gloucestershire on 1841:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,534494.0.html

Modified - topics merged  :)

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Morgan

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Re: Catherine Hemus c. 1792
« Reply #15 on: Friday 23 September 11 09:56 BST (UK) »
Hi
Appologies for duplication, my filing system is not all that it should be.
Have been off on another 'tack' since my first post.
regards
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Re: Catherine Hemus c. 1792
« Reply #16 on: Friday 23 September 11 16:58 BST (UK) »
Today I went up to the Pembroke Record Office to double checke the 1822 Caroline Hemus baptism and eventually decided that the surname shown is that written in the Baptism Register.
No matter what I tried and searched there is no reference to the surname ‘Hemus’ that I can find in Pembrokeshire .
Remembering the reference of a Peter Axton Hemus in 1851 I then went to search for his baptism, again nothing could be found.
I then found a reference to the baptism of a Catherine Axton dau of Thomas & Elizabeth Axton a farmer of Studdach, Angle who was baptised 07 Aug 1836 at Angle. Thomas Axton of Angle mrd Elizabeth Sinnett of Angle at Warren parish church 12 July 1835.
This, whilst a possible interesting connection between Hemus and Axton families did not really tell me much.
So I had noted that Joseph Hemus was a farmer at the baptism of Caroline, now to me Farmer is normally a pretty settled family occupation and yet we only have one possible baptism to equate to Joseph and Catherine, to me this was not right.
I then turned to the L.T.A’s of Angle and in 1822 Joseph Hemus resides at Hardings Hill Angle, he is still there in 1823, but has left the district by 1824.
I then decided to follow him back by year and I note the following ;
1822 Hardings Hill Joseph Hemus
1821 Hardings Hill Joseph Heimus
1820 Hardings Hill Joseph Hemus
1819 Hardings Hill Joseph Hemus
1818 Hardings Hill Joseph Hemus
1817 Hardings Hill Joseph Hemas
1816 Hardings Hill Joseph Amos
1815 Hardings Hill Joseph Amos
1814 Hardings Hill Joseph Amos
1813 Hardings Hill Joseph Amos
Joseph entered the village in 1813 and it is now quite clear that there was a phonetic corruption of his surname post 1816. This got me to thinking………. And I found ;
Peter Axton Amos was baptised at Angle in 1815, thus Caroline Hemus (1822 reference) and Peter Amos (1851 census) are siblings.
Whether you agree with my findings I will leave to you, but if you verbally pronounce “Hemus” as “Heymos”, I know what I think.
I have been unable to find any reference to the Amos family in Pembrokeshire, however I do note the surname is extensive in the village of Pembrey Carms around the time of your interest.
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Re: Catherine Hemus c. 1792
« Reply #17 on: Friday 23 September 11 19:22 BST (UK) »
Hi,
Thanks for the wealth of information you supplied and for your super detective work.
What is the LTA list, is it related to agriculture ?
I notice from IGI that a Mary Joseph 1812 also appears and I mistakenly thought we had discovered Catherine's maiden name until looking further at the female names and found the father's name being taken also.
Is that a normal case in Wales for the girls ? No surname seems to appear on IGI.
We seem no further forward with Catherine's name but Elizabeth 1811 ( William Bell's wife ) who started all this looks likely to be a Amos/Hemus although no record on IGI.
Maybe I have to push the boat out and obtain one of the kids b. cert.
Kind regards and many thanks,
robsdad
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SHROP: Bird, Colley, Parton, Cock.
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WARKS: Garrington.
NORTHANTS: Betts, Clark
BERKS: Cross, Preston, Orpwood, Banister, Celly/Colly, Wildblood, Bond.
BEDS: Carver, Merrington.
OXFORD: Edwards, Maizey, Hanwell, Laurence