wotherspoons

[MonicaL]

Maybe Ann born before marriage. IGI entry on 16 May 1862 Kilbirnie - Ann Fyfe to mother Jean Fyfe...

Monica

[MonicaL]

Elusive Benjamin Spence! From 1891:

Annie Spence 27, wife b. Kilbirnie
John Spence 2

Address: 2 Wellington Pl, Paisley

[CaroleW]

1871 census indexed as Witherspoon - Marion and Annie both shown

Thomas Witherspoon 28 b Rutherglen, Lanarkshire iron moulder
Jean  27 b Kilbirnie
Annie   8   ditto
John   5 b Dalry
Janet    4 b Ardrossan
Marion Witherspoon 2 ditto
Ardrossan ED 1 Page  11 Line 1

[MonicaL]

Is this your post Heather
http:///boards/your-family-history-brickwalls/24719-benjamin-west-spence-2.html

Key points from this:

Benjamin West Spence.
Father John Spence, a general merchant (dec.) in St. Vincent's West Indies and mother both show as deceased at the time of the marriage.
Marriage date 3rd July 1885, his age was 24
Death for Benjamin 1898?

Lots more info there....

Monica

[MonicaL]

  Can't get the URL to copy over due to a block.

A search of "benjamin west spence" +ancestry aid will bring it up.

[CaroleW]

That is a really interesting link!! can't get it to copy either but here are 2 extracts

Looks like he WAS born in St Vincent's

Name: Benjamin Spence Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862 Age: 19 Port of Departure: Glasgow Port of Arrival: Sydney, New South Wales Voyage Arrival Date: 14 May 1881 Vessel Name: City Of Benares Origin Location: St Vincent

and a reply from Whiteheather

We think he could have been, he has no death cert as he drowned when his merchant ship sank, the one who died in 1998 was not a member of our family, as my father died last year in luton, he was also Benjamin west Spence, his father with the same name died in Ardrossan Ayrshire, in 1959, his father with the same name is the one who drowned and who we are looking for

[MonicaL]

Hi Linda v, good to know somebody else if looking for the same thing, I am a member of every site there is connected to St. Vincents, and nobody has come up yet with anything, where in scotland are your people from? mine are from Paisley, just wondering if there is a connection as my family must have gone out there about the same time
heather

Looks like we are on the same track 

[whiteheather]

Annie was born out of marriage but then they got married later and went on to have more children. The 1901 census was correct but the husband Benjamin was dead by this time, he drowned when his boat went down of the Isle of Man in 1894, it is his birth cert. I am looking for Scotland People dont have it, and of course there is no death cert as he was never found, on his marriage cert to annie in 1885 it stated that his parents were deceased Benjamin was only 24 so something must have happened to the parents, the father John was a merchant in St. Vincednt's West Indies, but they have nothing of either the parents marriage or benjamins birth

[CaroleW]

From the other forum post - there seems to be a thought that he was born in St Vincent - not Scotland

This is from your own reply to one of those suggestions

I know that when he married annie wotherspoon in July 1885 he joined the ship strathblane and sailed to sydney from glasgow in Nov. 1885, it stated on the crew list that he was from st. Vincent's although the rest of the crew were from Scotland and Ireland,