Help pls deciphering german records

[JustinL]

I take my hat off to you, Adrian. The place names are all so alien to me, I would never find them.

Matt, when viewing an old book on google.books you can switch to plain text. A few of the characters come out distorted, but it should make reading easier for you.

Justin

[MattH]

Adrian/Justin,
Just to help me fill out more of the lives of these ancestors of mine, I've attached Mathys Rothlisberger's birth registration. I know that his father was Ulrich and his mother was Verena Herrmann. I can't make out what it says after their names except for "von hier." Any help you might be able to give will be appreciated. (By the way, the last column is a list of the witnesses.)

[apwright]

Col.2 (parents)
Ulrich von hier; wohn-
hafft im ?Gringlenbach-Boden
Verena Herrmann
von hier

Col.3 (child)
März 25ten
Mathias

Col.4 (witnesses)
Hans Herrmann
Hans ?Frank
Magdalena Röthlisberger
von hier

wohnhaf(f)t = resident


?Gringlenbach-Boden is probably what is referred to in Durheim** vol.2 (1838), p.114, as Grindelbachboden (a house and outhouse on the estate of Grindelbach in Langnau parish).
Google Earth 46.946195 7.821804
The three farms just north of there are (clockwise from top) Ober-Grindlen, Unter-Grindlen and Ausser-Grindlen. Grindelbach is now Grindlebach.

**Durheim, Karl Jakob: Die Ortschaften des eidgenössischen Freistaates Bern:
Vol.1 http://books.google.com/books?id=2d5AAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover (pdf 230 MB)
Vol.2 http://books.google.com/books?id=NVFCAAAAcAAJ&printsec=frontcover (pdf 125 MB)
Vol.3 http://books.google.com/books?id=QEBCAAAAcAAJ&printsec=frontcover (pdf 59 MB)

1880 map from http://www.apps.be.ch/geo/

[MattH]

Adrian,
Thanks for the all of this great info! I don't mean to be taking up a whole lot of your time, but, I have found a record from my German ancestors that I need help deciphering. This one may be a bit hard since the type is so bold. This is a marriage record from Zyriak Herzog and Monica Stuckle. They lived in around Bonndorf in Baden, Germany; so at least it's not too far away from Switzerland
Anyway, the record was on two different pages, so I had to chop them up as well. Hopefully, you'll be able to make some sense out of it! I know I can recognize some things like dates and some locations like Sigwart and Bonndorf. I'm hoping that this will reveal some occupations as well. Maybe Justin has some good experience with German records? Anyway, let me know if you need any questions answered. Thanks!

[apwright]

Is this yours, Matt?? 
http://www.gremmert.com/getperson.php?personID=I29766&tree=ardeneva

Im Jahre 1835 den 24ten September, wurden mit Bezirks-
amtlicher Bewilligung vom 5ten und 22ten September
No.3445, zu Bondorf getraut der ledige Nagelschmied
Zyriak Herzog, ehelicher Sohn des Anton Herzog,

und der Liberate Schafrath von Schwarzhalden, geboren
den 2ten August 1808, und die ledige Monika Stuckle, ehe-
liche Tochter des Franz Joseph Stuckle, und der Anna
Maria Siegwart von Bondorf, alt 23 Jahre.
Zeugen: Thomas Vogt, Bauer von Grafenhausen, und
Johann Büche, Taglöhner von Bondorf.
Bondorf am 24ten September 1835 [signature] Decan und Pfar[rer]

In the year 1835 on 24th September with the district council's authorisation of 5th and 22nd September No.2445, there were married in Bondorf the unmarried nailsmith Zyriak Herzog, legitimate son of Anton Herzog and Liberate Schafrath from Schwarzhalden, born on 2nd August 1808, and the unmarried Monika Stuckle, legitimate daughter of Franz Joseph Stuckle and Anna Maria Siegwart from Bondorf, aged 23 years.
Witnesses: Thomas Vogt, farmer from Grafenhausen, and Johann Büche, casual labourer from Bondorf.
Bondorf, 24th September 1835 [signature] Dean and Vicar

Adrian

[MattH]

Adrian,
First off, thanks for the translation and deciphering. Second, yes, that's Zyriak, although that's not my website. I'm only familiar with that one. Also, for some reason, I had already known that Zyriak was a nailsmith and don't know why I forgot that...Anyway, thanks again! I think I'm going to take a little bit to analyze this information and hopefully it'll help me find out more about these ancestor's lives. Thanks to you, and to Justin!

[MattH]

Adrian and Justin,
I'm in need of your deciphering skills again. This time, I'm researching another part of my Swiss ancestors. I have been going through my records for the Messerli family and am wondering if this record below is a birth record of Barbara Traschel. I have down that she was born on Oct 6, 1758, and this was the record that came up. From the looks of it, it sure doesn't look even close to being a match, but, you'll have to see for yourselves. Thanks!

[MattH]

Actually, hold off on that deciphering job. I was able to find the actual baptismal record for Barbara and it was in 1748 not 1758. So, sorry for getting your hopes up.... We'll be in touch, though, in the future, I'm sure!

[MattH]

Justin and Adrian,
Here IS a record I need help deciphering. Its the marriage entry for Hans Messerli and Anna Berger. Hopefully, you can make out some of those hard-to-read words. Thanks!

[apwright]

Hi Matt,
This is two marriages on the same day (eadem), or perhaps even at the same time - a double wedding - maybe the two Anna Bergers were cousins.

Wattenwil
d[en] 5. July sind eingesegnet worden
Hans Mässerly
Anna Berger
beyde v[on] Wtwl [= Wattenwil]

eadem.
Hans Hirschi auß dem Schangnau u[nd]
Anna Berger v[on] Wtwl. [= Wattenwil]

Adrian