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Re: Help pls deciphering german records
« Reply #36 on: Thursday 05 January 12 18:53 GMT (UK) »
Adrian,
I just found another baptismal/birth record I need some help with. This is for Rosina Susanna Müller who was born in Thun. I can make out that her father was Abraham, but not who his father was nor who his wife is. Any help you can give will be appreciated. Thanks!

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« Reply #37 on: Thursday 05 January 12 22:19 GMT (UK) »
Adrian,
Not to add more here, but, I ran across Rosina's husband's birth/baptism registration and need some help. I know his father's name was Friedrich and his mother Catharina Grossenbacher. I can't seem to make out some of the other information here that I'm used to seeing. Thanks for the help!

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Re: Help pls deciphering german records
« Reply #38 on: Friday 06 January 12 04:53 GMT (UK) »
Adrian,
Since I last posted, I figured out that the last record I attached listed F. Schneider as being from Stalden, which is in Münsingen. That led me even further to find his birth/baptismal registration. I can tell that his father is also from Stalden, but, for the life of me, I can't figure out any other names! Could you help?

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« Reply #39 on: Friday 06 January 12 07:59 GMT (UK) »
ein ehl[iche]s Mädchen, geb. 14. Aug. Rosina Susanna
Par[entes]
Abraham Müller, Abrah[ams] Sohn Schuemacher von Thun, cop[uliert] 23./1. 817
Anna Zurst von Walkringen.
Test[es]
Hr. Samuel Müller, Sohn ?Negt. [=?Negotiant]
Fr. Rosina Lohner, geb. Müller.
Fr. Pfandvögtin Susanna Hofer, geb. Mühlimatter.
alle 3. von Thun.


A legitimate girl, born 14 August. Rosina Susanna
Parents:
Abraham Müller, Abraham's Sohn, shoemaker from Thun, married 23 January 1817
Anna Zurst from Walkringen.
Witnesses:
Mr. Samuel Müller, ?merchant's son [not entirely sure about that!]
Mrs. Rosina Lohner, nee Müller.
Mrs. Susanna Hofer, nee Mühlimatter, the reeve's wife.
All 3 from Thun.

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d[en] 9tn Januar --- d[en] 30tn Januar.
Friedrich --- ehelich --- Schneider.
Par[entes]
Friedrich Schneider vom Stalden.
Catharina Großenbacher von Haßle beÿ Burgdorf.
Test[es]
Friedrich Karlen von Erlenbach.
Bendicht Baltzli von Uttigen.
Anna Großenbacher von Haßle.


9 January --- 30 January [birth & baptism dates?]
Friedrich --- legitimate --- Schneider.
Parents:
Friedrich Schneider from Stalden.
Catharina Grossenbacher from Hasle bei Burgdorf.
Witnesses:
Friedrich Karlen from Erlenbach.
Bendicht Baltzli from Uttigen.
Anna Grossenbacher from Hasle.

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Wurde getauft zu Signau d[en] 11ten 7bris 1791. Lauth autentischen Scheins
Friedrich Schneider
Par[entes]
Christe Schneider vom Stalden
Elsbeth Stuby von Gÿsenstein
Test[es]
Bendicht Schneider.
Jakob Riser.
Maria Riser geb. Siegenthaler.


Baptised at Signau on 11 September 1791, according to an authentic certificate
Friedrich Schneider
Parents:
Christe Schneider from Stalden
Elsbeth Stuby from Gÿsenstein
Witnesses:
Bendicht Schneider.
Jakob Riser.
Maria Riser nee Siegenthaler.

Gysenstein and Stalden merged to form the commune of Konolfingen in 1933.

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Re: Help pls deciphering german records
« Reply #40 on: Saturday 07 January 12 04:43 GMT (UK) »
Adrian,
Thanks as always for the work you put in to helping me. I did have one question: I know to almost never question your deciphers, but, is it possible that the Elsbeth Stuby could be Stucky? I've noticed a lot of records from other individuals that have a Christian Schneider with an Elisabeth Stucki and I wanted to get a second opinion before I re-write any details. Thanks again!

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« Reply #41 on: Saturday 07 January 12 12:36 GMT (UK) »
Hi Matt,
Looking at it again, yes, it could definitely be Stuki, comparing the k with that in 'Jakob' a few lines down. And the last letter is more likely an i than a y, as the y in other words curls the other way.

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« Reply #42 on: Wednesday 22 February 12 20:30 GMT (UK) »
Hey,
While I was rummaging through some Swiss records looking for Catharina Großenbacher's baptismal record, I found the attached record. I'm still a little uncertain if it's a match for the person I'm looking for, but it was the only Catharina from Hasle bei Burgdorf that I could find. I was also a little skeptical because she would have been older than her husband when she married him in 1813. If you wouldn't mind transcribing this for me, I would appreciate it. Sorry, also, for the poor quality!

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« Reply #43 on: Thursday 23 February 12 06:18 GMT (UK) »
1787
den 6tn Januar
Par[entes]:
Hans Großenbacher zu Dorschwummen
Catharina Binner

Katharina

Test[es]:
Durs ?Zseli im Bigel
Barbara Hofer des Krämer Großenbachers Frau [wife of Großenbacher the merchant]
Barbara Glauser des Wirths Großenbachers Frau [wife of Großenbacher the innkeeper]


Dorschwummen (= Dorfschwummen) and Bigel (listed in Durheim as two houses named Bigelhäusli and Bigelweid) are hamlets/farms in Kirchgemeinde Hasle.
http://map.local.ch/en/search/Dorfschwummen
http://map.local.ch/en/search/Bigel-Hasle-bei-Burgdorf

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Re: Help pls deciphering german records
« Reply #44 on: Thursday 23 February 12 19:01 GMT (UK) »
Adrian,
Thanks for the clarification. After looking a bit further, I think I may have found Hans and Katharina's marriage registration from 1774. However, I didn't find any children born to them until 1783. Can you help me by figuring out the locations listed in the registrations [i.e. is that Sumiswald where Katharina is from]? I've attached the marriage entry as well as another child's birth entry. Also, I know the quality of the last attachment I sent was poor, so do you think that Katharina's last name maybe Sommer? Hopefully, the birth entry I've attached will help. Thanks!