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Adam Lothian
« on: Friday 11 November 11 08:13 GMT (UK) »
I have an Adam Lothian on  my tree my 4x great grandfather. From his daughter Mary's death record in 1882 at the age of 77 I had his wife as Elizabeth Grieve. I have recently come across other info on the web which suggests she may in fact be Isabella Grieve. This other tree says Adam's parents are William Louden and Isabella Hunter and that he was born on 1 Dec 1769 in Lauder. It also gives Isabella's parents as John Grieve and Janet Bathgate.

I believe (from the same source) there may be an Adam Lothian on 1841 census in Westruther Berwickshire, married to a Sarah Gillies but have no idea of his age. I wonder if this Adam may be a son of mine as they married in 1827 when my Adam would have been 58. Not impossible I know - they went on to have another 4 children which would have been right up until he was 65! Perhaps someone could check the age on 1841 for me?

So far I am unable to track the info down regarding the parents of Adam and Elizabeth/Isabella and wonder if anyone else can help?
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Cowe, Cameron, Storie/Storey, Powell,
McCaskell, Kane/Cain, Howden, Duncan

For OH: East Lothian Ayrshire
Baird, Kyle, Reilly, Routledge
Mackie,Wallace, Wood, Dickson, Burrell, Brown, Darling

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Re: Adam Lothian
« Reply #1 on: Friday 11 November 11 08:25 GMT (UK) »
Hi the 1841 census suggests this:-

Adam Lothian 70 occ Carrier
Sarah 35
Meney 12 Daughter
Adam 4 Son
Residing at Eastertown of Westruther
All b Berwickshire
Census ref HO107/756/2/1
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Re: Adam Lothian
« Reply #2 on: Friday 11 November 11 08:27 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

There is an Adam Lothian aged 70 (occ carrier) on the 1841 census born Berwickshire & living Eastertown, Westruther.

Adam Lothian 70
Sarah Lothian 35
Meney Lothian 12
Adam Lothian 4

All born Berwickshire.


Also another Adam born abt 1826 Berwickshire (occ ag lab). Address is down as Stable, Westruther. He is living with William Boyd 20.
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Re: Adam Lothian
« Reply #3 on: Friday 11 November 11 08:31 GMT (UK) »
So looks like my Adam was still producing children well on in years then! And with a much younger woman! Thanks to you both for that - helpful to know. Wonder who the other Adam was - maybe a nephew unless he had an Adam with first wife.
East Lothian/Midlothian
Cowe, Cameron, Storie/Storey, Powell,
McCaskell, Kane/Cain, Howden, Duncan

For OH: East Lothian Ayrshire
Baird, Kyle, Reilly, Routledge
Mackie,Wallace, Wood, Dickson, Burrell, Brown, Darling

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Re: Adam Lothian
« Reply #4 on: Friday 11 November 11 09:20 GMT (UK) »
My OH's 4x grandparents are Adam Lothian and Isabella Grieve (Isabella from son Thomas's death cert).

I have a note on Adam to say in the 1841 census his daughter Sarah is living with him and 2 grandsons, Henry aged 12 and Adam aged 4...... I queried to myself were Henry and Adam Sarahs children ?

I'd need to refresh myself on this as it was quite a while ago but I do think Sarah is his daughter and not second wife.

Hope this helps.

Terry
g grandfather Thomas Borthwick 11/11/1882 - KIA 25/9/1915 aged 33 Kings Own Scottish Borderers

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Robert Johnstone Borthwick 1898 - KIA 24/3/1918 aged 21 North Staffordshire Regiment

George Lowden Borthwick 1899 - KIA 24/3/1918 aged 19 Royal Scots Fusiliers

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Re: Adam Lothian
« Reply #5 on: Friday 11 November 11 09:31 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Terry - have sent you a PM and hopefully we can swap some info.
East Lothian/Midlothian
Cowe, Cameron, Storie/Storey, Powell,
McCaskell, Kane/Cain, Howden, Duncan

For OH: East Lothian Ayrshire
Baird, Kyle, Reilly, Routledge
Mackie,Wallace, Wood, Dickson, Burrell, Brown, Darling

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Re: Adam Lothian
« Reply #6 on: Friday 11 November 11 18:57 GMT (UK) »
Just in case anyone is thinking that Terry and I now have all the info we need and that the topic is closed, we don't!

Any help confirming - or otherwise -  the parents of Adam and Isabella/Elizabeth would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks.
East Lothian/Midlothian
Cowe, Cameron, Storie/Storey, Powell,
McCaskell, Kane/Cain, Howden, Duncan

For OH: East Lothian Ayrshire
Baird, Kyle, Reilly, Routledge
Mackie,Wallace, Wood, Dickson, Burrell, Brown, Darling

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Re: Adam Lothian
« Reply #7 on: Friday 11 November 11 19:27 GMT (UK) »
Adam Lothian is an old name in the Lauder area. Lothian and Louden seem to be regarded as variants of the "same" name there as they were elsewhere in Scotland.

I had 4 x great-grandparents called John Moffat and Alison Lothian or Louden who were married in 1770 in Melrose parish, but the extended Moffat family lived nearer to Lauder town than Melrose, in the fermtouns of Threepwood and Ouplaw.

I believe that my Alison was descended from Adam Lothian and Alison Raith, who were having children in that area in the 1690s and early 1700s.

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Re: Adam Lothian
« Reply #8 on: Friday 18 November 11 22:23 GMT (UK) »
So looks like my Adam was still producing children well on in years then! And with a much younger woman! Thanks to you both for that - helpful to know. Wonder who the other Adam was - maybe a nephew unless he had an Adam with first wife.

At Edrom, there is a Helen Lothian born 4th December 1878?
Died Allanton 26th April 1894
Wife of Thomas James Gibson
2Nd wife Elizabeth Dickson died Ninewells Mill Cottage 16th December 1912
& Thomas Gibson died Allanton 26th August 1921 age 56.

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