Author Topic: Alice HUDSON Murder 1913 - Alice's Grandmother Julia REILY  (Read 21990 times)

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Re: Alice HUDSON Murder 1913 - Alice's Grandmother Julia REILY
« Reply #27 on: Sunday 04 December 11 03:26 GMT (UK) »
When I saw that you had located a brother ROBERT for JOHN, I thought perhaps his death would give the parents of the men.

Not so lucky! :D

CARLILE Robt
Father Unknown
MotherUnknown UNKNOWN
Age 74
Birth Place
Death Place Granya
Year 1903
Reg. Number 5869

Sue



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Re: Alice HUDSON Murder 1913 - Alice's Grandmother Julia REILY
« Reply #28 on: Sunday 04 December 11 03:59 GMT (UK) »
Going by this Agnes (formerly Garing, nee Kelly) CARLILE was in Pascoe Vale by 1893:

http://www.moreland.vic.gov.au/mccwr/_assets/main/lib91135/augustvolume2nthbellst.pdf

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Re: Alice HUDSON Murder 1913 - Alice's Grandmother Julia REILY
« Reply #29 on: Sunday 04 December 11 04:15 GMT (UK) »
Given that the last mention I can see of John CARLILE in the newspapers is 1891 & his youngest son Richard named his brother Robert as NOK on his 1916 WWI enlistment. That leaves us a window of 25yrs that John probably met his demise  :-\

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Re: Alice HUDSON Murder 1913 - Alice's Grandmother Julia REILY
« Reply #30 on: Sunday 04 December 11 04:22 GMT (UK) »
Quote from the item linked above


- a hand drawn map of Pascoe Vale in 1900 identifies this house as
occupied by the 'Carlyle' family (Williams, 1982:9).


Wonder who the "family" was :D

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Re: Alice HUDSON Murder 1913 - Alice's Grandmother Julia REILY
« Reply #31 on: Monday 05 December 11 05:49 GMT (UK) »
In trying to trace what happened to John Carlile (see my previous post), I have been looking at his children.

In order of birth, this is what I know ( I think!)
Annie b. 1863, m. Richard Hudson 1889 (aged 26), d. 1923 (aged 60)
Ellen b. 1865, m. Thomas Rollings 1885 (aged 20), d. 1901 (aged 36)
Julia b. 1868, m. ?? Richard Brown 1886 (aged 18), d. ??
Mary Jane b. 1871, m. Elliot Rollings 1889 (aged 18), d. 1901 (aged 30)
Robert b. 1873, m. ?? d. ?? 1967 Beechworth, Vic (aged 94)
John Bernard b. 1876 m. ?? d. ?? 1933 Cambellfield, Vic (aged 57)
Richard b. 1879 m. ?? d. ?? 1941 Cambellfield, Vic (aged 62)
Margaret May b. 1882 m. 1906 Sydney James Cross, Wodonga, Vic (aged 24), d. 1964 Mooroopna, Vic (aged 82)

Can anyone help with or confirm some of the ??'s.

The fact that Margaret May married in Wodonga (according to Sydney's death certificate) seems to indicate John remained in the district with his family following the breakdown of his 2nd marriage around 1888.

But what of her older brothers, Robert, John and Richard? Did they marry at all and if so where? This might give me some clue as to the location of the family around the time.

Brendan

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Re: Alice HUDSON Murder 1913 - Alice's Grandmother Julia REILY
« Reply #32 on: Monday 05 December 11 06:03 GMT (UK) »
Here is Richard's death notice
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article8183486

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Re: Alice HUDSON Murder 1913 - Alice's Grandmother Julia REILY
« Reply #33 on: Monday 05 December 11 06:05 GMT (UK) »
Hi

There is a Richard Carlile WW1  age 37 in 1916 born Albury with a brother Robert living in Victoria

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Re: Alice HUDSON Murder 1913 - Alice's Grandmother Julia REILY
« Reply #34 on: Monday 05 December 11 06:27 GMT (UK) »
Ellen Rollings and her 15 month old baby were burnt to death in a bark hut in October 1901
but trove just crashed :( so I can't give you a link

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Edit to add : http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article9613573
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Re: Alice HUDSON Murder 1913 - Alice's Grandmother Julia REILY
« Reply #35 on: Monday 05 December 11 07:17 GMT (UK) »
Unpleasant allegations re. JOHN BERNARD in 1930 :(

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/4061880?searchTerm="john bernard carlile"&searchLimits=

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ADDING
This man died in CAULFIELD, not CAMPBELLFIELD (Reg Number: 5285)
So too did RICHARD die in CAULFIELD not Campbellfield (Reg Number: 5582)
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