Mystery of a prize and a grandfather.

[heywood]

Just found a mention of B Park

http://www.castlebar.ie/clubs/mayo-birdwatch/whereto.htm

a good place to watch birds! In the right area too.

[heywood]

http://www.mayolibrary.ie/en/home/

has reading re Humbert in the Local Studies section

[heywood]

I found Bullockpark on a map 

It's near to Rusheens where there is a Thomas Carden in Griffiths Valuation.

I find the maps take a bit of getting used to in G V -

Carden

I suspect that this is all the same Thomas Carden.
If you click on the map view - you get a red rectangle in the centre of the screen. You need to just keep going in and hopefully you will see Rusheens and Bullockpark - a tiny little spot.

[annclare]

Suggest you contact Arthur Carden who has published a number of books on Carden branches in Tipperary. There are two main Carden branches one of Barnane (near Templemore) and one of Templemore Abbey. He is quite definite that there is no connection between Templemore Cardens and those of Sligo
Arthur's contact is carden[at] one-name.org

Regards
annclare

[Pastmagic]

Hi Anneclaire and Heywood,

Thank you both for that useful info. I have had some difficulty with the maps before, have to take time with it but worked it out ok - great to have!

I have e-mailed A. Carden, thank you.

Newspaper obits can be wrong, but I suspect this one was provided by a member of the family, because of the detail it provides - I am wondering who this Capt John Carden actually was!
The obit says that Eleanor, born 1861  was the 7th daughter of the late Thomas Cardin and granddaughter of the late Captain John Carden of Templemore Tipperary, the land agent to Sir Arthur Gore.
As Eleanor (1861 -1930 ) father Thomas Cardin ( 1816 -1876 death cert details, buried Moyne Abbey, tombstone agrees dates) Capt John should be born c.1796 or earlier, I have had a search through Freeman's Journal, British Gazette and can't find a likely candidate....

Later

Have now had message from A Carden saying no John of Templemore had son Thomas of right age, but he is going to email me in Jan with further details. In the mean time I have found this???

Harriet Emily Carden
 b. circa 1823
     Harriet Emily Carden was born circa 1823.1 She was the daughter of Richard Minchin Carden and Emily Henrietta Battier.2 She married Lt.-Col. Arthur William Knox-Gore, (d.1885 son of Sir Arthur Knox-Gore, 1st Bt., on 10 March 1863.1 She died, without issue.1 From 10 March 1863, her married name became Knox-Gore.
Don't know how or if that fits, but she is a Templemore Carden.
http://thepeerage.com/p36291.htm#i362906 - Grandaughter of this Richard.
The prize Eleanor won in 1876 was the Arran Prize for English Literature - i wonder if the donor is connected to this AW Knox-Gore...??

Any help much appreciated - I can try newspapers in NL if there are suggestions?

Thanks again,
A Boyd 

[heywood]

The Knox and Gore families seem to crop up everywhere - the name being in various combinations.
I have been to Belleek woods and there were several monuments/statues, I think for various members.

Earl of Arran  was a major landowner in Ballysakeery parish.

[ABoyd]

Thanks Heywood, then going on the death dates on wiki, dates, this is the one who must have awarded the prize -

Philip Yorke Gore, 4th Earl of Arran KP (23 November 1801 – 25 June 1884), known as Philip Gore until 1837, was an Anglo-Irish peer and diplomat.

 I can find a few refs to prizes for horticultural events, but no literary one! I am told that it was money and she took a trip to America with it. Her grandaughter would love to find pot more, but its looking like needle in haystack territory!

ABoyd

[heywood]

Mayo Library site and The Irish Times site both mention the Estate Papers of the Earl of Arran.

[ABoyd]

Thanks Heywood, I will have to go to the archives, I think - and you have given me the idea of phoning Mayo Library - a strategy that has worked for me before with some Co. libraries I don't live near - they may know about this Prize. 
AB