Toni*’s OH Sc Hunt part 9

[Aceh]

Alfred Cullmer
We do not have a baptism for him. His grandfather, the father of Edward Cullmer 1810 - 1849, was William Culmer 1756 - 1816 a mariner of Dover, It is therefore possible that he was known within the Cullmer family as Alfred William or William Alfred.

Other Culmers
There is a line of the greater Culmer family which descend from Holtum Culmer 1756 - post 1794 a gentleman of Kent. Most of this branch of the family moved to London as Brushmakers and ultimately by late Victorian times as Brush Manufacturers. By the times we are talking about there would have been dozens of these families, so some of the people you are chasing may well be them. As far as I know, they used the original single L version of the name. I believe they were based mainly in north and north east London.

[Aceh]

Georgetta is on the census as sister in law to Isaac William Osborne - he married Rosina Culmer daughter of Alfred Culmer & Ellen Wheeler not Rosina Urwin daughter of Alfred Urwin and Annie Susan Culmer

I believe that Georgette is the initially illegitimate daughter of Annie Susan the sister of Alfred. When Annie Susan married Alfred Urwin the child may have been legitimised, she may even have been the child of Alfred Urwin. So she is not a sister of Rosina Culmer but a niece. Census enumerators getting the wrong end of the stick is not unknown. And Rosina Cullmer was the legitemate child of Alfred and his lawful wife Mary nee Hale.

[toni*]

you're right rosina culmer is the child of Alfred culmer and mary hale not ellen wheeler !
if georgette is the illegitimate daughter of annie susan and / or Alfred urwin then she would be cousins to rosina culmer - still not sister in law or step sister as this sometimes is the case when being enumerated and confusing relationships

[Aceh]

More Annie Susan conundrums:

In the 1861 census, (RG9/244, f 2, p? – page corner torn off), Annie Susan was living at 59, Huntingdon Street, Shoreditch, with her children Georgette and Alfred James. It appears from the same census (RG9/586, f 23, p4) that her husband Alfred Urwin was being detained at Lewes Prison in Sussex, although the prisoner was described as a Tailor, not a Shoemaker.

On 11/5/1866 at St Barnabas, Finsbury, 3 baptisms took place on the same day. The parents are recorded as being Alfred Urwin and Annie Susan Urwin. The children were Alfred James born Q2 1860; Rosina Sarah born Q1 1862 as above, and Elizabeth Selina. However it seems, no Annie Susan  jr.- had she died or, perversly, had her name changed to Elizabeth Selina?
FreeBMD shows a total of 12 Elizabeth Urwins being born between 1862 and the date of this baptism; all of these births were in the North East of England, none of the children had a second forename of Selina, so the birth & parentage of this child is uncertain.

On 10 May 1869 at St James, Clerkenwell, Alfred Irwin (sic) widower married Sarah Skidmore nee Hudson, widow, born Shoreditch. The witnesses were Alfred Cullmer and Sarah Whitehead, ie Annie Susan’s brother and their elder brother George Isaac’s deserted wife; both signifying their acceptance of the marriage. Hence, it appears that Annie Susan had died sometime between the birth of Annie Susan jnr in 1862 and this marriage in 1869. Her husband Alfred Urwin appears himself to have died in 1886, having sired a further two children by his second wife, Sarah.

FreeBMD further records the death of a Susan Irwin (sic) in the district of St Marylebone during Q1 1862. This is the only death of an Annie or Susan Urwin / Irwin in the London area during this period apart from a woman who was much older. However, how can this be as her daughter Annie Susan Jr was not born until Q3 1862. From FreeBMD, the death for an Annie Urwin in Q4 1865 at Gateshead 10a 380 is the only other one recorded in the timescale, however this was found to relate to a 3 year old child.

What was going on?

[toni*]

No answers to your dilemmas but we did say somewhere way back what Alfred Urwin was in Lewes House of Correction for.

I have a little theory of my own - Mary Culmer aged 12 in 1841 supposed daughter of Edward Culmer and Annie Gardner Coles - is it possible that as they did not marry until 1830 she is in fact an illegitimate child of Annie Gardner Coles and could simply be in later census or married as Mary Coles and not Culmer ?
We cannot say for definite that she was in service somewhere

[toni*]

Annie Gardner Coles are we saying that her mother is not Martha Parish?
to recap
Richard Coles a butcher married Martha Parish in 1817
Lucy Coles was christened on 3rd April 1818 at Bodicote
on the census Annie is 6 years or so older than Lucy

[Aceh]

Evening Toni,

Annie Gardner Cole was the daughter of Richard Cole and his first wife Ann Gardner. Richard and Ann were married on 21 February 1805 at Radway, Warwickshire.

[toni*]

Thanks Alan I was looking for that!

Spidermonkey found somewhere the reason why Alfred Urwin was in Lewes Prison in 1861 but I cannot find it in the threads - I've been through several times

From memory I am asking was it robbery with Edward Fish or something else ?

[Beth P]

  Hi. I am new at this, so apologies for any breach of protocol.
I have been researching my great grandmother's family and found part of your scavenger hunt about 2 years ago. Relating back to Joseph Millward Whitehead: his wife Rosina Sarah Whitehead died after the birth of their youngest son, Edgar Charles Whitehead early 1882. Joseph struggled to look after the family, and eventually had to put Paul and Alfred into a work house (industrial house). He died in the influenza epidemic in about 1882.
Joseph and Rosina's daughter, Julia Cullmer Whitehead (b.1870, Islington) emigrated with younger sister Rosina Mary Whitehead (b.1881, in Holborn) to Australia, on one of the "bride ships". Julia married Sea Captain ODell (b. County Cork, Ireland) before 1891. In 1891/92 Julia ODell was living in Fremantle, WA, presumably with husband Capt ODell. She sponsored younger brothers Paul & Alfred to emigrate to Australia as well. They went to live with an aunt in (Launceston?) Tasmania.
Rosina Mary Whitehead married Daniel Tapper in 1899 in Fremantle, WA. They became pioneer dairy farmers of the Bibra Lakes area, WA.
 Capt ODell died. Julia then married Alfred H. Barrett in Fremantle, in 1901. She died in 1936.