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O'Hagans Mullindarragh
« on: Tuesday 27 December 11 14:21 GMT (UK) »
I am a direct descendent of James O'Hagan who was my great great grandfather.  My grandmother was Josephine Agnes O'Hagan who lived in Liverpool.  Does anybody have any data going back beyond James?
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« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 27 December 11 14:51 GMT (UK) »
Hello Stephen -welcome to Rootschat.

Is your James the same person as here? (from Mullindarragh)

Earlier thread re O'Hagan (Mullindarragh) http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,141508.0.html

If so, you have all information from James onwards - so do you have dates for James and where have you already searched?

thanks

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« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 28 December 11 11:56 GMT (UK) »
I have James O'Hagen born 1840 in Mullinadargh married to Catherine Brady.  He died Oct 1879 in Cheshire probably Birkenhead.  No other data.  I think his son was Edward Francis O'Hagan definitely my great grandfather as my grandmother was Josephine Agnes O'Hagan one of his daughters to Susannah Smyth who died of aloholism in 7th Nov 1910 in Birkenhead. Cannot make much headway on the Irish side nor when they came to England.  Fascinated to get more information.  We have quite a bit on Edward.  Best wishes, Stephen Smith

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Re: Carrigallen
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 28 December 11 12:46 GMT (UK) »
Where was Edward born?

Hopefully ozlady will be able to help. even though this enquiry is quite old now, she seems to still be in touch on rootschat.
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Re: Carrigallen
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 29 December 11 09:56 GMT (UK) »
We think Mullinadaragh in about 1856?
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« Reply #5 on: Thursday 29 December 11 10:27 GMT (UK) »
Is your Edward married to Annie in 1891 and listed as Terence E in 1901?
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Re: O'Hagans Mullindarragh
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 29 December 11 17:18 GMT (UK) »
Hello again,

I have been looking at some trees online and I think there may be two families here who have been mixed up.

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Re: O'Hagans Mullindarragh
« Reply #7 on: Friday 30 December 11 17:56 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

Yes I think so.  Yes James O'Hagan and Edward Francis O'Hagan are missing from the 1901and 1911 census.  My grandmother Josephine Agnes O'Hagan is also missing from the 1911 census.  Are they two trees or did he change his name to Terence O'Hagan?  I certainly have the name change and if they are of two different families then what a surprise.  We have no family history of my grandmothers family so something seems to have happened!!
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Re: O'Hagans Mullindarragh
« Reply #8 on: Friday 30 December 11 22:13 GMT (UK) »
Hello again,
it is all very difficult because of the O'Hagan/Hagan plus spellings and transcriptions and the missing people in 1901. However, I will try to outline what I think is the case.
I also think that 1911 census is perhaps crucial to your enquiries.
Do you have a published tree or access to those trees with the family information?

FREE BMD
1883 Marriage- Terence Edward O'Hagan and Annie McQuade
1891 Edward, Annie and Annie S O'Hagan -Birkenhead
1901 Terence E O'Hagan, Anne and several children in West Derby
I think it is this Annie who dies in 1910.
1911 free indexes shows Terence Ohagan in Birkenhead

You need to access the 1911 census if you wish to find out about Terence and his family. I do not think they are your family.

1901 is a problem- I can't see anyone of your Edward O'Hagan family

Free BMD

Marriage 1903 Edward Francis Hagan and Annie Smythe Liverpool

Birth 1901 Josephine O'Hagan Birkenhead

1911 free index  has a Josephine Hagan 9 yrs in Birkenhead
Using the 'other persons in household' search there is an Edward F, 41 yrs

Again you need to look for this family in 1911 to see other children and places of birth to check your family.

The ages of Terence and Edward are not the same and looking at their families, there are different children.

Do you have any of the marriage certificates of Edward Francis?

I hope you can follow this. The names are important and 1911 will be vital to you.

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heywood
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