Wow! All these chats are proving very interesting. I too have merged the two Elizabeths into one, and was not aware that Elizabeth Dougherty died so young. Interestingly, I have Elizabeth Dougherty born in 1832, marrying in June 1846 and giving birth to Robert, my great grandfather, in August of that year - so she was 14, and six months pregnant when she got married! At that time, as I understand it, the law required that the bride be at least 12 years old, and the groom at least 14 - and that anyone getting married has to have the parents' permission to do so. As Allen Prophet and Hugh Dougherty are both cited in the wedding record, I assume that the wedding was undertaken with due respect to the law!
If ED was indeed born in 1832, she was only 18 or 19 when she died - a very sad thought.
As far as Robert is concerned, I can tell you that he ran the Ring O'Bells pub in St Helens - a location quite close to the town centre, but the pub no longer exists.
Ar dystysgrif geni Edith (1878), Occupation Inkeeper of Westfield St, St Helens
Occupation: Boilermaker (from his son's (John Stephen) birth cert 1871)
He was a Rivetter by the time his youngest daughter was born (Mary Ann - known in our family as Aunty Pop) in 1880.
£4/13/- was paid to John Simpson, undertaker (22&151, Old Chester Rd, Tranmere) for funeral of the late Robert Profit(sic) at Bebington Cemetry. His gravestone is still there and clearly marked.
Cause of death: 'Accidentally killed by falling into a graving dock'
Inquest held 3/12/87 by Henry Churton, Coroner for Birkenhead.
On his gravestone, his age is recorded as 43 (and also on his wife Elizabeth's grave in Rake Lane Wallasey)
He died at 177 Old Chester Road - now a Salvation Army building in Rock Ferry.
Robert had one son and four daughters:
ROBERT PROPHET was born 23 Aug 1846 in Garston, and died 02Dec 1887 in 177 Old Chester Rd, Tranmere. He married ELIZABETH MAIRE STEPHEN 1870 in Wirral. She was born 1844, and died 12 March 1913 in Birkenhead.
Notes for ELIZABETH MAIRE STEPHEN:
after Robert's death, took up 'Quakers'(?) a business at shop corner of Lucerne St and Wheatland Rd.
Children of ROBERT PROPHET and ELIZABETH STEPHEN are:
2. i. ELIZABETH MAIRE PROPHET, b. 1873, St Helens; d. about March 1947, Wallasey.
ii. JOHN STEPHEN PROPHET, b. 14 Meh 1871, Poulton cum Seacombe.
3. iii. FLORENCE PROPHET, b. 1876, St Helens?.
4. iv. EDITH ANN PROPHET, b. 26 July 1878, St Helens?; d. about 1960.
v. MARY ANN PROPHET, b. 05 Aug 1880, 5, Belle Vue Road, Poolton cum Seacombe; d. 26 March 1956, Wallasey?; m. T. A. PERCY JONES; d. 20 August 1943, Wallasey?.
Elizabeth Maire (yes! another Elizabeth!), my grandmother, died before I was born in 1951. I do recall Mary Ann (Aunty Pop) who was always so generous and loving. Sadly she had no children of her own. I also remember Edith who married James Pappin and, when I remember them, lived in Wallasey with their only child, Dorothy who married Donald Pinches and had one child, Hilary who now lives with her family in Irby.
I would be grateful of any other information anyone has on this, and am delighted with the latest info posted here. It would be really good to have a copy of the photo of James Prophet outside the Victoria!
