Parents and siblings of Thomas Oates (1792 - 1871)79

[Westy11]

A difficult one for the forum members.   

I am trying to locate Thomas Oates parents and siblings. 

The information I have that is definite is that Thomas Oates married Charlotte Sanderson on 28 Dec 1824 in Sheffield.  Thomas was a merchant and it appears his primary family were also merchants/agents of sorts. Charlotte operated schools.

Thomas died 18 Nov 1871 at Lochbie House, Hornsey Rise, London, N and is buried at Sheffield General Cemetery non conformist section in a plot that he owned.  Altogether 3 are buried in the plot namely him, his wife Charlotte and George Oates who died 16 Nov 1852.  George was also a merchant who lived at Broom Villa Glossop Road Sheffield.   I do not know George's relationship to Thomas but it is assumed he is related in some way.

Have my fingers crossed the collective wisdom of this forum will help me find this family.

Mxmar0

[dobfarm]

Hi

Was there an age of death  on the gravestone for George Oates who died 1852, if not then maybe by purchasing his death certificate 1852, will give his age at death and  then from that look for a baptism of his estimate death age to give approx birth years or just after.

This link maybe the same family as they appear to have lived in Sheffield and London area at different times. so maybe compare notes

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,575094.0.html

[Westy11]

Hello Dobfarm

Thanks so much for replying.  I obtained George's burial information from the Sheffield General Cemetery and it states his age as 63 making his birth year about 1789.  Good point about his death certificate so will put that one on the list to purchase.  Also the thread looks very interesting and have sent a post to the originator so hope I will receive a reply.

I am not sure if they are linked but some of the names are similar.  I know that both George & Thomas were merchants and not sure if those occupations are on a similar social level as file smith and file cutter; whilst not being from England I am aware of the class distinction and have seen to date how the family fortunes seem to indicate from which social level marriage partners are selected (as a broad generalization) but it is a way of checking the potential applicability of individuals (being but a novice this may be a valid point).  I will eagerly await a response from the Holden member and also hope that others may response to my post.

Kind regards
Mxmar0

[mirf]

Hi to me it looks like George could be Thomas brother.
look at Sheffield records online you have to register but it is free
it may of help. Regards mirf

[JeannieR]

Hello There...

There is a Baptism for THOMAS OATES, which took place in Sheffield December 27th 1793

Father was James, Mother was Sarah

I have been unable to find a Baptism for George, as yet, with the same parents

JeannieR

[Westy11]

Thank you JeannieR; the idea that mirf had that Thomas & George are brothers is a good one as well as they would have been abt 4 years apart in age.

[JeannieR]

Hello again

I would discount the Baptism for Thomas Oates I gave you earlier. That poor baby died, and was buried June 6th 1794.......

I have found two other Baptisms though, which need some investigation

George Oates on May 5th 1789 at Nether Chapel, Norfolk Street Independent, Sheffield

Thomas OATES on May 17th 1789

Parents of both boys were FRANCIS and MARY

It would be interesting to know if George left a will. He may have named Thomas as a Executor. They must have been close, or why would they be buried together ?

JeannieR

[mirf]

Hi 1871 census Matlock Thomas / Charlotte boarders Rockside Establishment
and Boarding House.  Thomas Retired Commercial Agent.
 mirf

[Sandymc47]

Hi

I also found the George Oates with parents Francis and Mary.  Nether Chapel, Norfolk Street, Sheffield is a non conformist Church.
They also had a daughter called Harriott she was christened
30th December 1798.  There seems to be some gaps in the ages
but that could be because the Non Conformist registers have not all
been transcribed yet in Sheffield.
I think that this is the George you require because the area he
was christened in is near to Glossop Road where you said he died.
I did see that there was a Thomas born 1792 and living on the 1841
census in Sheffield but it doesnt state on my info that he was actually
born in Sheffield.  So wondering if the one that  Jeannie found is
the correct one and that would make him around the same age as
George?
Another thing I found was the information about the class of England
in those days and it mentions that if you search for the Nether Chapel
as it states that the non conformists were very independant people which
included very good trades and people who became Lord Mayors etc.
So they were probably classed as higher than the Tykes of the day.
Not trying to be rude there but thats what they called themselves.
So do I lol. I think you will find a merchant had a bit more brass than a
file cutter or file smith.
 
Francis and Mary Bacon were married at St Peters Cathedral
on 24th April 1788. 

regards Sandymc