Sabina Esther Privat/Clifford

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http://automatedgenealogy.com
1901 census of Canada
Ontario, Bruce East #48
household 70
Benjamin Privat, b. 31 Aug, 1863, age 37, origin German, occupation tinsmith
Matilda, b. Germany, immigrated 1877
Sabina E, born US
Albert L., Pearl J., Carl T., Benjamin (Benjamin Franklin) all born Ontario

this same family in 1911 less Sabina with more children
1911 manitoba Souris 47 Killarney page 17
Household 180
Benjamin Privat
Matilda
Lorne A, Pearl J., Carl T, Franklin B, herbert N, Mannie R. M., Earl L.

You can use the spilt screen/view option to look at the original transcripts

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www.deathindexes.com/canada.html

British Columbia
death
Carl Theodore privat
1989/9/23, age 92, White Rock, BC

Benjamin Franklin Privat
1963/1/29, age 63, Prince George, BC

Benjamin Privat
1930/1/28, age 66, Vancouver, BC

Manitoba Death Index (also has births and marriages)
birth
Privat, Earl Lenarr
12/09/1906
R. M. of Woodworth, Manitoba
mother - Matilda Aug Pfeiffer

marriage
Matilda May Ruth Privat
William Clark
14/04/1925, Killarney, Manitoba

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There is a Western Land Claim at Library and Archives Canada
Vol 385, Folio 455, Microfilm C-6245
for
Charles James Clifford
NE, Section 2, Township 32, Range 8, Meridian W2

W2 is Saskatchewan

C-6245 Iber # 386 and 387 are for Land Grants Nov 8, 1909 to Nov 23, 1909

If someone has access to the 1916 census, they may be able to determine who is living at the above and if it matches the info for Rama, Sask.

That could help to place the family at different times.
privat's were in Ontario in 1901, Manitoba for birth of Earl in 1906 and in Killarney for 1911 Census and also for marriage of Matilda May Ruth in 1925 but may have been in Vancouver in 1930 at death for Benjamin.

You can also order the complete military file for Charles James Clifford at Library and Archives Canada through the information on his Attestation Papers. Sometimes there is valuable information in the files especially for pay allotments, medical info, etc. This could also help to place Sabina.
Charles James Clifford enlisted in Saskatoon in 1915.

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forgot to add the website for the info above. also found this info

www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/index-e.html

Soldiers of the First World War

Albert Lorne Privat
Reg # 291983
b. 26/12/1893
Enlisted Dec 27, 1915, address at enlistment is Killarney, Man
born Hanover, Ontario
Next of Kin Benjamin
occupation - chauffeur
single

Carl (Theodore) Privat
Reg # 292273
enlisted March 24, 1917 at Carman, Manitoba
born Hanover, Ontario Dec 13, 1896
NOK - father, Benjamin Privat
occupation Banker
single

Herbert N. Privat
Reg # 1972130
b. 20/06/1898 hanover, Ontario
NOK - father, Ben Privat
occupation - farmer
single
enlisted Winnipeg, Manitoba Dec 2, 1916

Charles James Clifford
29/01/1884
Reg # 472436
b. Toronto, Ontario
NOK - Sabinelle Clifford wife
Rama, Saskatchewan, farmer
enlisted 10 Sept 1915, Saskatoon

You may find more Attestation Papers for some of Charles brothers.

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At the site on the previous post, you can check the 1881 and 1891 census of Canada and view the original documents.

You can look for John Clifford, his wife Emma and family at
1881, District 135, East York, Ontario

1891, District name Toronto #119; Sub District - St. Lawrence Ward
Household 64
page 13
John Clifford, age 45, born England
Emma, age 42, wife
Emma, 22
page 14
Gilbert Clifford, 17
Caroline, 15
Susan, 14
Georgina, 13
Nina, 11
Janet, 9
Charles, 7
Margaret, 5
Ella, 3

http://automatedgenealogy.com
1901 Census of Canada
Clifford family is in
York East, Toronto, Ontario, Quarter No 1

There is a contact person associated with this family

1911 Census of Canada
John Clifford and some of his daughters are listed in Toronto East, Ontario at 8 Vancouver Ave.

I wasn't able to find Charles or Sabina on the 1911 census so they may have been on the move or missed during the process.

You can view the 1881 and 1891 census using pdf or jpeg and the 1901 and 1911 census through the split screen/view option.

Hopes this helps in your search

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I googled the name and came up with a site of the Irish Regiment of Canada. There is a picture of both John and his gravestone. Thought you might like the info if you don't already know it.
John Irving Clifford
and came up with some interesting infromation on him
Pte
B/138372
D company
born 28 Sept 1925, Rama, Saskatchewan, age 19, single
Father: Charles James
Mother: Sabie Ester
Brothers: Gilbert, Donald, Burford (all are now deceased)
Sisters: Frances and Ruth (both deceased) and 2 other sisters that I am not sure of status
Enlisted Jan 12, 1943 at Timmins, Ontario
Regiment: Number 2 District Depot General List
Taken on Strength to Irish Regiment of Canada May 16, 1944 Italy

Other Service Facts
He was taken on strength to 1 Bn Dufferin and Haldimand Rifles of Canada Nov 16, 1943

Dates of Service
Canada 12 Jan 1943 - 24 Nov 1943
UK 25 Nov 1943 - 17 Feb 1944
Italy 18 Feb 1944 - 04 Jan 1945

Notes from Interview
Average intelligence, honest, appears slow but is sound fundamentally. Health is A1. Very neat in appearance, above average type of soldier. Requested to be posted to the Royal Regiment of Canada, if possible. he enjoys hunting, fishing and playing baseball.

Ate of Death - January 4, 1945
Circumstances: DOW
He was wounded in the area of Conventello on the night of Jan 3/4. He died at 7th Light Field Ambulance of a High Explosive shell wound to the right temporal area of the skull.

Action: San alberto

Location of Burial:  Vilanova Canadian War Cemetery, Italy

Grave Reference: Plot I, Row A, Grave 7

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Some information on children of Charles and Sabina

Gilbert Clifford
b. 4 June 1913 Rama, Saskatchewan
d. 29 July 1972, 59 years
m. 12 June 1937, Timmins, Ontario
     Eileene Maud Hines d. 19 Jan 1990

Frances Matilda Clifford
b. 6 July 1915, Rama, Saskatchewan
d. 15 May 1997, 81 years

Burford Sinclair Clifford
b. 27 April 1928, Monteith, Cochrane District, Ontario
d. 4 May 1982

Donald Smylie Clifford
b. 27 April 1928, Monteith, Ontario
d. 23 December 1997

looks like Burford and Donald were twins

Ruth clifford
b. 19 April 1934, Matheson, Cochrance District, Ontario
d. 3 March 2001, 66 years
m. 20 April 1951, Matheson
    Hillard Irwin Tinney 1929-2005


I also found that Charles James Clifford's mothers maiden name was Dart. (Emma Dart)

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http://www.iroquoisfallschamber.com/web-content/index.html

Iroquois Falls Chamber of Commerce, go to history

In the great bush fire of 1916 all the area covered by Monteith, Kelso, Porquis, Montrock, Ansonville and Iroquois Falls was overrun by fire. People living close by the Abitibi Mill ran to it for protection. all of the hamlets rebuilt except Kelso. If you look at the history section, it lists all the names (several) that died in the fire. it is probable that all records such as church or municipal were lost in the fire. At that time in history most records were kept locally so it is quite possible that you will never find an official record of the marriage of Charles and Sabina as it was lost in the fire.

I hope I was able to find some info that you didn't already have. If you don't have all the names of the children of Charles and Sabina, let me know and I will send a pm to you. Also there are 4 Clifford's living in Timmins and you can access that information at
www.canada411.ca

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Wow! Thank you! This will keep me busy for a while 
And thank you especially for the link to my g-g uncle John Irving Clifford- very sad, but so special.