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William Francis Dubock BROWN
« on: Tuesday 17 January 12 03:55 GMT (UK) »
Could anyone please help me with any information regarding William Francis Dubock Brown, Born Sydney Australia January 1817 Married Sarah Cox 5/9/1837, Died Sydney, 30/8/1861, Five children, Louisa, William Goodlad, George, Susannah and Sarah. William's Parents were William Horatio Brown and Susannah Dubock. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thanking you.
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Re: William Francis Dubock Brown
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 17 January 12 04:47 GMT (UK) »
Hi ROSJAN,

William was actually born baptised in Tasmania.

William Fran Dubock BROWN
21 Jan 1817
Father:    William Horatio BROWN
Mother:    Susannah BROWN
Registered Baptised in 1823 at Launceston, Tasmania
#1519

Other children are listed here:

http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?detail=1&type=P&id=17288

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Re: William Francis Dubock Brown
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 17 January 12 04:58 GMT (UK) »
Hi there,

Straying off topic, but I noticed on one of your earlier threads that you were missing the parents details from a marriage in NSW at Young.   I think this thread I did up last year may interest you, and it may well apply to your BROWN searches too, particularly if any of those five children married in NSW between 1856 and say 1895 ish ... I have Brown as a surname in my tree too, and they can be elusive without all the details that ought to be on the NSW BDM mc's...

Here's the link

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,546609.0.html

Cheers,  JM
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Re: William Francis Dubock Brown
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 17 January 12 05:07 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for your reply but, I have a copy of William's Baptism certificate which states he was born in Sydney 21/1/1817. According to the records the Brown family didn't sail for Tasmania until late 1819.

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Re: William Francis Dubock Brown
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 17 January 12 05:14 GMT (UK) »
Sorry, my mistake in the wording - civil registration in Tasmania didn't start until 1833, so the record is for a baptism in Tasmania.  He may well have been born in Sydney.

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Re: William Francis Dubock Brown
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 17 January 12 05:24 GMT (UK) »
Curiouser and curiouser  ???

Australian Death Index has this record:
1819, # V1819603 6, registered at Sydney, birthplace NSW
William Brown
Birth Date:   1819
Father's Name:   Brown
Mother's Name:   Susannah
Birth Place:   New South Wales
Registration Year:   1819

And this record:
Registered 1823, #1519 at Launceston Tasmania
William Fran Dubock BROWN
Birth Date:   21 Jan 1817
Father's Name:   William Horatio Brown
Mother's Name:   Susannah Brown
Birth Place:   Tasmania


And NSW BMD index has three entries for William BROWN but I don't think they are the same William.
V18195623 1B/1819 Mother: SUSANNAH        
V1819603 6/1819 Mother Susannah        
V181740 141/1817    No parent names given

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Re: William Francis Dubock Brown
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 17 January 12 05:34 GMT (UK) »
BROWN - I'm glad I don't have any in my family  ;D

ROSJAN is he the William BROWN who was the clerk to Reverend YOUL in 1819?

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Re: William Francis Dubock Brown
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 17 January 12 05:35 GMT (UK) »
Looks like the children of William Horatio and Susannah Brown were baptised in Launceston in 1823.

Henry St John Brown reg number 1521/1823

Louisa Brown reg number 1522/1823

Susannah Arabella Brown reg number 1520/1823

William Francis Dubock Brown reg number 1519/1823

The registration numbers last four digits of/1823 means it was the year of their Baptism.Some familys baptised their children all in one lot.It seems that they have the childrens actual birth date and not Baptism date as Rosjan says the Brown family didn`t arrive in Tasmania until late 1819.

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Re: William Francis Dubock Brown
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 17 January 12 05:38 GMT (UK) »
I agree Judith, curiouser and curiouser,

Do we know when he returned to Sydney from VDL?  Was it with his parents, or did he travel alone ?  

Re the multiple entries at NSW BDM ... suggesting to me that if these are for the same person, that one would be for the original parish register (which could be anywhere in what was then NSW, eg VDL was still part of NSW at that time), and one would be for the transmitted record to the NSW Chaplain (in accordance with Gov Macquarie's General Orders of 1810.   The NSW Chaplain was of course the Rector of St Philips, in Sydney and was C of E.   But not just C of E records were to be forwarded to him.... any denomination sent records to Rev Cowper, from anywhere in the Colony and in the South Seas....

So, it is quite possible that William Francis Dubock Brown was baptised in the territory that Macquarie governed as Governor of the penal colony of NSW.

I am not sure about the entry for 1817 with no parents names given.   I have a similar NSW BDM cert from that era .... (I just had to purchase it, rather than a transcript), it is for a baptism, with NO surname, and NO parents listed .... It is suitably framed and hanging at my front door, to remind anyone that cares to look at it, that you cannot always believe certified information on Official Documents....  The original parish record of course gives ALL the family names.... Yep, NSW and yep, Sydney Town, and during Gov Lachlan Macquarie's reign.    ::)  ::)

Cheers,  JM
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