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Re: Looking for baptism c1845
« Reply #18 on: Friday 04 September 15 22:19 BST (UK) »
This would appear to be the marriage of Evan and Mary...
28 August 1874, at Tregaron....
Evan Jones, aged 37, bachelor, farmer, abode Forest, father Nathaniel Jones, farmer
Mary Jones, aged 22, spinster, abode Pencefan(?), father David Jones, farmer.

Witnesses: Thomas Evans and David/Daniel Williams.

All signed.
CARDIFF:Lord,Griffiths,Barry,Cope,Mahoney ~ PEMBROKESHIRE:Griffiths,Rees,Owen,Thomas ~ ESSEX:Lord,Foreman,Hatch ~ SOMERSET:Lord,Cox,Hockey,Linham,Bryant ~ STAFFORDSHIRE:Cope,Elks,Hackney,Gallimore,Davenport ~ SUFFOLK:Lord,Lockwood,Hatch,Rix,Foreman ~ IRELAND:Barry,Meany,Cummins,Grogan ~
PONTYPRIDD:Leigh,Brooks,Adams,Davies,Thomas ~ KENT:Leigh ~ CHESHIRE:Adams,Tudor,Illidge ~ DENBIGHSHIRE:Edwards,Bolas ~BRECON:Leigh,Thomas,Davies ~SOMERSET:Adams,Keitch,Bridge ~ABERGAVENNY:Minton ~ MERTHYR:.....

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Re: Looking for baptism c1845
« Reply #19 on: Friday 04 September 15 23:08 BST (UK) »
Hello
Ok have tracked him through his military records assume this is the correct man?
Nathaniel Jones joined army 21st April 1892 Southwark London number 2467 Royal fusiliers
Occupation given milkman living 34 Collingswood street age given 18 and 8mths born Tregaron Cardiganshire.
1891 census
 Poss. match
New north road Hoxton town parish of Shoreditch
William Thomas Head aged 18yrs b.1873 Blaenpenol Cardiganshire dairyman
Mary Ellis aged 23yrs llangwyryfon Cardiganshire servant
Nathaniel Jones male aged 15years b Caron Cardiganshire milkman
 The above Nathaniel Jones only matches occupation not age has he states he is 18yrs and 8months
On his application to join army?
I checked the census and I found your baptism records of Nathaniel it states baptised October 27th 1875 so that does match age for the milkman in 1891.
 You may already know all this but I am working blind!

I didn't have the census info. So thanks for that.
Yes it appears he lied on his army attestation. He would have been 16 years and 8 months when he joined up.
Tregaron - Jones (1700s -  )
Llanelli (Lanelly) - Parker, Williams, Rees, Jones (1800s - )
Benson (Bensington) - Saunders, Lane (1800s)
Dorking - Drayton (late 1800s)
Lambeth - Powers (mid 1800s)

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Re: Looking for baptism c1845
« Reply #20 on: Friday 04 September 15 23:13 BST (UK) »
This would appear to be the marriage of Evan and Mary...
28 August 1874, at Tregaron....
Evan Jones, aged 37, bachelor, farmer, abode Forest, father Nathaniel Jones, farmer
Mary Jones, aged 22, spinster, abode Pencefan(?), father David Jones, farmer.

Witnesses: Thomas Evans and David/Daniel Williams.

All signed.

I have literally ordered that marriage certificate this morning so I could confirm if was them or not. There is another marriage two years earlier between a Mary & Evan Jones.
Given the detail you have posted, it is them as the father's name track (in that their children or grand children bore their names) and Forest matches!

Yeah, so glad I followed my gut on that one :)

Thanks for the help, sometimes all it takes is a fresh pair of eyes to see detail otherwise overlooked! :)
Tregaron - Jones (1700s -  )
Llanelli (Lanelly) - Parker, Williams, Rees, Jones (1800s - )
Benson (Bensington) - Saunders, Lane (1800s)
Dorking - Drayton (late 1800s)
Lambeth - Powers (mid 1800s)

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Re: Looking for baptism c1845
« Reply #21 on: Saturday 05 September 15 07:23 BST (UK) »
Good news  :) Just checking that you also saw Evan's burial in reply #15?
Deirdre
CARDIFF:Lord,Griffiths,Barry,Cope,Mahoney ~ PEMBROKESHIRE:Griffiths,Rees,Owen,Thomas ~ ESSEX:Lord,Foreman,Hatch ~ SOMERSET:Lord,Cox,Hockey,Linham,Bryant ~ STAFFORDSHIRE:Cope,Elks,Hackney,Gallimore,Davenport ~ SUFFOLK:Lord,Lockwood,Hatch,Rix,Foreman ~ IRELAND:Barry,Meany,Cummins,Grogan ~
PONTYPRIDD:Leigh,Brooks,Adams,Davies,Thomas ~ KENT:Leigh ~ CHESHIRE:Adams,Tudor,Illidge ~ DENBIGHSHIRE:Edwards,Bolas ~BRECON:Leigh,Thomas,Davies ~SOMERSET:Adams,Keitch,Bridge ~ABERGAVENNY:Minton ~ MERTHYR:.....

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Re: Looking for baptism c1845
« Reply #22 on: Saturday 05 September 15 10:41 BST (UK) »
There is a property called Argoed Fach,Tregaron which can be searched directly on Google Earth though it is slightly off a direct "Street View" location.It is on this early OS map south of Tregaron

http://maps.nls.uk/view/101608351

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Re: Looking for baptism c1845
« Reply #23 on: Saturday 05 September 15 12:21 BST (UK) »

 SHOULD HAVE ADDED THE CENSUS INFO 1891  RG12 /246/144/21.
cheers cardiff
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Read Wiltshire /Pontypridd
Dove Lincolnshire/Pontypridd/Cardiff
Barnhouse Cardiff/Pontypridd
Wilkes Shropshire/ Staffordshire/ Rhondda
Fletchers Staffordshire/ Glamorgan
Wright Somerset/ Glamorgan
Probert Cardigan/Rhondda/Shropshire
Jenkins Cardigan
Lewis Cardigan
Morgan Penderyn/Pontypridd
Stephens Penderyn
David Glamorgan
Whitby Forest Dean
Hughes Goodrich/Pontypridd
Jackson/Smith London /Kent/Glamorgan
Hughes Maesteg/Ynyshire

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Re: Looking for baptism c1845
« Reply #24 on: Saturday 05 September 15 12:56 BST (UK) »
Keep this census possible match
1841 census
H0107 piece 1376 book 1 folio 14 page 21
 street -forest parish Tref Garon, borough Tregaron , town Argoed & Ystrad
 Head Nathaniel Jones b 1796 (45yrs farmer Born County
Margaret  ..                b 1801 (40                  ..
William b 1821
Ann b 1826
Thomas b 1825
John b 1827
Eliza b 1832
David b 1834
EVAN born 1836
Jane b 1838
Daniel  b 1840
John Davies male b 1821
Elizabeth Jones b 1811
All born county
just to note that on this census the farm next to it is Penycefan as where Mary Jones has stated on Marriage certificate to Evan  lives.

 1851 census
H0107/2487/321/1
town Caron, House name Forest ,Tregaron
Nathaniel Jones b 1796 Caron
 Margaret  b 1789 llandewibrefi
Walter b 1832
David  b1834
EVAN b 1836
Jane b 1838
Daniel b 1840
Margaret b 1843
all above states born Caron
PETER DAVID grandson b 1848 Aberdare Glamorgan
Elizabeth Rees general servant b 1807 Aberdare Glamorgan
 also note next farm is Argoed Fach
 1861
 RG09/4203/5/4
 Evan not with the family
 Poss death
Nathaniel Jones  4th qtr 1880 aged 84yrs Tregaron





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Read Wiltshire /Pontypridd
Dove Lincolnshire/Pontypridd/Cardiff
Barnhouse Cardiff/Pontypridd
Wilkes Shropshire/ Staffordshire/ Rhondda
Fletchers Staffordshire/ Glamorgan
Wright Somerset/ Glamorgan
Probert Cardigan/Rhondda/Shropshire
Jenkins Cardigan
Lewis Cardigan
Morgan Penderyn/Pontypridd
Stephens Penderyn
David Glamorgan
Whitby Forest Dean
Hughes Goodrich/Pontypridd
Jackson/Smith London /Kent/Glamorgan
Hughes Maesteg/Ynyshire

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Re: Looking for baptism c1845
« Reply #25 on: Saturday 05 September 15 13:11 BST (UK) »
Poss Marriage
Nathaniel Jones =m= Margaret Walters  25th Feb 1820 Caron Tregaron
 hope this is of some help
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All CensusTranscriptions are Crown Copyright

Read Wiltshire /Pontypridd
Dove Lincolnshire/Pontypridd/Cardiff
Barnhouse Cardiff/Pontypridd
Wilkes Shropshire/ Staffordshire/ Rhondda
Fletchers Staffordshire/ Glamorgan
Wright Somerset/ Glamorgan
Probert Cardigan/Rhondda/Shropshire
Jenkins Cardigan
Lewis Cardigan
Morgan Penderyn/Pontypridd
Stephens Penderyn
David Glamorgan
Whitby Forest Dean
Hughes Goodrich/Pontypridd
Jackson/Smith London /Kent/Glamorgan
Hughes Maesteg/Ynyshire

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Re: Looking for baptism c1845
« Reply #26 on: Saturday 05 September 15 14:46 BST (UK) »
There's a burial at Tregaron of an Evan Jones, abode Fforest, on 16 Dec 1880, aged 45 ;D

Great thanks! That fits with the dates I estimated his death to around.
Tregaron - Jones (1700s -  )
Llanelli (Lanelly) - Parker, Williams, Rees, Jones (1800s - )
Benson (Bensington) - Saunders, Lane (1800s)
Dorking - Drayton (late 1800s)
Lambeth - Powers (mid 1800s)

Parkhurst prison officers 1898 - 1899