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Marriages for Alfred Hugh Harman?
« on: Wednesday 01 February 12 11:15 GMT (UK) »
I am trying to find the marriages for Alfred Hugh Harman (abt 1841 in Kennington, Surrey, London – 23 May 1913 in Surrey, Sussex) who founded Ilford Film.
I think he may have married about 1860 to Amelia Ann (or Margaret) Taylor (possibly born abt 1839 in St Martin's, St Pancras).
They are shown in 1861 at 3 Albert Cottages, Hill Street, Peckham, Camberwell, Surrey where he is in partnership with photographer - Henry Dages.
In 1871, he is a Artist Photographer at Ewell Road, Kingston on Thames, Surrey.
In 1881, he is shown as Gelatine Plate Manufacturer at   Cranbrook Lane 4 South Park, Barking, Essex   

Alfred and Amelia had 7 children. I think he may have left her as in 1881 she is shown with children at Geneva Road, Lambeth, London and in 1901 at Gilmore Road, Lewisham as Widow / Living On Own Means with daughter Amelia.

Alfred Hugh Harman may have married Nina Octavie Helvetie Du Gué (abt 1841 in Dublin, Ireland - 1902), daughter of Benjamin Louis du Gué, of Lausanne. She is shown as his wife in 1901 at The Lodge Lower Grayswood House, Grayswood, Witley. I can find no record of a marriage?
Last entry for him, shows him as a Widower / Retired Manufacturer of Photographic Goods living at Lower Grayshurst Haslemere Surrey.

He left a share of his will (valued at £333,000 in 1913) to his adopted daughter Margaret Hilda Knobel (Harman). I think she was the daughter of Edward Ball Knobel (who was Director of the Ilford Photographic Company) and Margaret nee Whitehead (abt 1851 in St James, Middlesex). I don't know why he adopted her or left her his money?

Any leads or information welcome.

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Re: Marriages for Alfred Hugh Harman?
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 01 February 12 11:24 GMT (UK) »
There's a short biography on Wikipedia.

Says he married widow Nina Kobble, from Dublin, who had a son George from her first marriage?

Indeed, they are together on the 1881 census:
Reference RG11, Piece 1746, Folio 101, Page 2
4 Cranbrook Lane, South Park, Barking, Essex

Harman, Alfred H  Head  M  39  Gelatine Plate Manufacturer  b Lambeth
Harman, Nina  Wife  F  39  b Dublin
Knobble, George  StepSon  M  18  b Liverpool
Tress, Elega  Visitor  F  30  b Edinburgh


Possibly, Amelia (first wife) dies in 1880:
June qtr 1880
Bethnal Green    vol 1c, page 110
Harman, Amelia    age 41
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Re: Marriages for Alfred Hugh Harman?
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 01 February 12 12:12 GMT (UK) »
Marriage to Amelia was in the June quarter Camberwell, ref. 1d 801

Alfred Harman and Amelia Taylor.

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Re: Marriages for Alfred Hugh Harman?
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 01 February 12 14:30 GMT (UK) »
Thanks KGarrad
I think this may be wrong as Nina is 'Nina Octavie Helvetie Du Gué' and there isn't a Nina KOBBLE, only a
Margaret Hilda Knobel-Harman
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Re: Marriages for Alfred Hugh Harman?
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 01 February 12 14:39 GMT (UK) »
So Wikipedia got it wrong, too?! ???

Then try PhotoLondon: http://www.photolondon.org.uk/pages/details.asp?pid=3494
Garrad (Suffolk, Essex, Somerset), Crocker (Somerset), Vanstone (Devon, Jersey), Sims (Wiltshire), Bridger (Kent)

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Re: Marriages for Alfred Hugh Harman?
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 02 February 12 00:27 GMT (UK) »
Thanks KGarrad
I have all this info. What I trying to find is any links to the actual marriages.
Nothing seems to come up on the various family search sites.
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Re: Marriages for Alfred Hugh Harman?
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 02 February 12 08:31 GMT (UK) »
If this marriage from FamilySearch is correct, Nina was married previously:

Nina Octavie Helvétie DU GIE married Thomas George RAUSBY, 21 May 1860, Edinburgh.

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Re: Marriages for Alfred Hugh Harman?
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 02 February 12 09:06 GMT (UK) »
Maybe Nina married twice otherwise where does the surname Kobble come from?

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Re: Marriages for Alfred Hugh Harman?
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 02 February 12 09:20 GMT (UK) »
Have been trying to find the birth of George in Liverpool, c 1863?

No luck, so far! :(



How about this?

September qtr 1861
West Derby    vol 8b, page 332

Rousby, George Hnobel (or Hooble)
Garrad (Suffolk, Essex, Somerset), Crocker (Somerset), Vanstone (Devon, Jersey), Sims (Wiltshire), Bridger (Kent)