Chalmers McLachlan.

[madeira066]

Hi gnu.
Thanks for your help with this post.
I have just done a free search for a Agnes Burgess born 1798 or 1840 living in Dumfries on the 1851 census, and it came up with a Agness Burges born 1795 and a Agness Burges born 1840. I think that this could well be my GGG/Grandmother and her daughter with their names incorrectly transcribed. Could I possibly ask you if you could check this out.
Regards Dave.

[Gadget]

 I think that was one of the ones that I looked at:

1851
King Street, Dumfries
John Milligan, 33, Carter
Mary, wife, 33, housekeeper
George, Ronals (?), orphan, 6
Agness Burgess, m-in-l, wid, 56, pauper
Agness Burgess, daughter (presume of Agness), 11, pauper, scholar

All b. Dumfries

gnu

[madeira066]

Hi gnu.
I am fairly sure that this is my GGG/Grandmother.
On the 1841 census Agnes was living with her children but there was no husband William so I assume that he had died before 1841, I had no record of a daughter Mary as she was not with the family on the 1841 census and if the age given on the 1851 census for Mary is correct then she must have been the first child to William and Agnes after their marriage in 1818. I will have to try to find a birth and marriage for a Mary Burgess with parents William and Agnes to comfirm.
Many Thanks
Dave.

[madeira066]

Hi gnu.
Many thanks for all your help.
I now believe that I have found the deaths for my GGG/Grandparents William and Agnes Burgess. There is a death in Dumfries for a William Burgess in 1841 and a death for a Agnes Burgess in 1866 in Dumfries. I did a free search on S.P and these seem to be the most likely ones.
Regards Dave.

[Gadget]

Hi

Yes, I saw the 1866 death and wondered because it was in the Dumfries Poor House and the 1841 did describe her as a pauper, aged 70. Unfortunately,  no details of her parents are given.

How sad some of these discoveries are 

I've still not found the younger Agnes.


gnu

PS - I've found this link very useful for D & G relatives:

http://www.dgcommunity.net/historicalindexes/default.aspx

[Gadget]

Re my PS in the last posting.

I've found this in the Dumfries Kirk Sessions Records:

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0k46/

On the same page is my 4 x great uncle, Thomas Burgess. He had married Agnes by then but obviously she had had a child within 9 mths of the marriage!

 

[Gadget]

I had no record of a daughter Mary as she was not with the family on the 1841 census and if the age given on the 1851 census for Mary is correct then she must have been the first child to William and Agnes after their marriage in 1818. I will have to try to find a birth and marriage for a Mary Burgess with parents William and Agnes to comfirm.

Did you find the baptism of Mary Burgess ?

1st August 1818, Dumfries
Mary Burgess Parents - William Burgess and Agnes Hogg

gnu

[madeira066]

Hi gnu.
Yes I did find the baptism for Mary Burgess on IGI and thanks for the links. Do you know what an irregular marriage means I have never come accross this before.
Thanks Dave.

[Gadget]

Hi Dave

Marriage laws and customs were different in Scotland than in Eng & Wales. An irregular marriage was broadly one that wasn't performed by a Church of Scotland minister and no banns were proclaimed.  This link might explain it:

http://www.gla.ac.uk/departments/scottishwayofbirthanddeath/marriage/


gnu