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Offline tazzie

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Re: holdings
« Reply #18 on: Friday 10 February 12 14:00 GMT (UK) »



  A record from 1841 lists Robert who arrived on the Asia ... free by servitude.

   Tazzie
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Re: holdings
« Reply #19 on: Friday 10 February 12 14:39 GMT (UK) »
1841 Census:  Keysoe, Bedfordshire
Piece: HO107/7/5  Folio: 4  Page: 3
Dwelling: Brook End
Frances HOLDING  45  F Bedfordshire
Occ: Farmer
Louisa HOLDING  15  F Bedfordshire
Alfred CUNNINGTON  30  M Bedfordshire
Occ: Ag lab
Eliza CUNNINGTON  20  F Bedfordshire
Honnor CUNNINGTON  3m  F Bedfordshire


Like Amos,  Louisa and Eliza both give their fathers name as Robert, it is highly likely that they are siblings, none of them have been christened in Keysoe.  The 1841 census has them living with Frances but she may not be their mother as there is a marriage in Keysoe of a Samuel Holding and Frances Beeby - I wonder if Samuel is their (Amos, Louisa and Eliza's) uncle.  How do you know Amos had a brother Wolstan?  Who were the witnesses to Amos's wedding?

It looks as though Frances remarries by 1851 to William Wise.
Rosie
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« Reply #20 on: Friday 10 February 12 15:24 GMT (UK) »
Hi,
Maple Cross Pub, West Hyde, Rickmansworth, Hertfordshire
Year/Publican or other Resident/Relationship to Head and or Occupation/Age/Where Born/Source.

1881/Amos Holding/Publican/64/Keyso, Bedford/Census
1881/Eliza Holding/Wife/66/Bramp, Huntingdo/Census
1881/William Humphrey/Boarder, Farm Labourer, Widow/76/Rickmansworth, Hertford/Census
1882/Amos Holding/../../../Post Office Directory
1886/Amos Holding/../../../Post Office Directory
1890/Amos Holding/../../../Kelly’s Directory of Hertfordshire
1890/Amos Holding/../../../Post Office Directory
1891/Amos Holding/Publican, Widow/74/Beds/Census
1891/Charlotte Linford/Visitor/60/Brampton, Hants/Census
1891/Ellen Ford/Domestic Servant/57/Rickmansworth, Herts/Census

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Re: holdings
« Reply #21 on: Saturday 11 February 12 10:39 GMT (UK) »
here is roberts birth taken from the birth christenings book
march 30th 1789
robert son of robert and hannah holding
grayer inn workhouse.
as for wolstan all i have is he was born abt 1815 son of robert and hannah brother to amos.
thank you to everybody for their kind help.


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« Reply #22 on: Saturday 11 February 12 12:17 GMT (UK) »
Hi megangrace

I can't see any records anywhere for Wolstan other than on some Ancestry trees which give no sources - where did you get your information from that he is brother to Amos?

I am still wondering how have you made the leap that the Robert, who is father to Amos and, it seems likely Louisa and Eliza, is the same one baptised St Andrew Holborn abode Grays Inn Workhouse ??? There is a St Andrew Holborn burial of a Robert Holden of Grays Inn Workhouse 29 Oct 1789 if this is Robert senior, no age given but no mention being an infant, then we would need to follow Hannah and little Robert - she may have remarried, although I can't see a likely marriage or a burial.

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bedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell
buckinghamshire- pain
cambridgeshire- bird, carver
hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey
derbyshire- allsop, noon
devon - griffin, love, rapsey
dorset- rendall, gale
somerset- rendall, churchill
surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge

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« Reply #23 on: Saturday 11 February 12 12:47 GMT (UK) »
The Ancestry collection "New South Wales, Australia Convict Ship Muster Rolls and Related Records, 1790-1849" shows Robert Holding's "native place" to be Huntingdonshire.  I do not believe him to be the same Robert Holding as the one born in a London workhouse.
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« Reply #24 on: Saturday 11 February 12 14:35 GMT (UK) »
A little more here on Robert Holding convict

http://apps.bedfordshire.gov.uk/grd/detail.aspx?id=3048

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bedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell
buckinghamshire- pain
cambridgeshire- bird, carver
hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey
derbyshire- allsop, noon
devon - griffin, love, rapsey
dorset- rendall, gale
somerset- rendall, churchill
surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge

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« Reply #25 on: Saturday 11 February 12 15:22 GMT (UK) »
If Robert's age on conviction in 1823 was really 26, and there's no reason why he should have lied, then a 1789 birth in Holborn just looks wrong. His age was also given as 26 when he was received onto the Justitia hulk. But his age on burial in 1865 was 75 as Rosie has told us.

I have serious reservations about the Workhouse baptism being the Robert whose children were born in Keysoe.

It might be beneficial to check the parish chest for Keysoe to see if any payments were made to the family after Robert had been transported
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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey/Rook
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey/Rook
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:   Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs: Bourn: Bowd
            Eltisley: Medlock
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Re: holdings
« Reply #26 on: Saturday 11 February 12 15:46 GMT (UK) »
It might be beneficial to check the parish chest for Keysoe to see if any payments were made to the family after Robert had been transported

I presume these records are at Bedford. ???   I am also interested in this family as Louisa Holding is a 2 x gt aunt.  I had wondered if the christian name of Wolstan had a Woolston connection.  ::) 

Rosie
 
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