Lockie and Fish

[heiserca]

Jean Lockie, baptised 27 May 1790 at Chirnside, and George Clezie, baptised 27 Feb 1787 at Hutton, were married 20 June 1813, at Edrom. 

Jean Lockie’s parents were Alexander Lockie & Agnes Fish, who married on 20 March 1773 at Foulden.  I have been unable to find their dates and places of birth or baptism, likely around 1750, somewhere in Berwickshire.  Does anyone have their information? 

Spelling adds to the confusion.  Lockie is sometimes written Leckie.  Fish sometimes resembles Fisk.  Jean has been found as Jane!  Is that how it was pronounced in Berwickshire?

Thank you.

[Sharon01]

Hi,

There are a couple of possibilities for Agnes in Berwick.

Agnes Fish baptised 10/06/1744 at Bunckle & Preston, Berwick. Father Thomas Fish.

Agnes Fish baptised 19/07/1750 at Mertoun, Berwick. Parents John Fish & Marion Haig.

Also

Alexander Lockie baptised 07/02/1751 at Mertoun Berwick. Parents John Lockie & Helen Lattie.

Other children for Alexander & Agnes seem to be

John baptised 19/02/1774 Foulden
Helen baptised  16/07/1776 Chirnside
Robert baptised 19/07/1778 Chirnside

Then there is a rather large gap.

Jean 27/05/1790 Chirnside
John 28/09/1794 Chirnside

Sharon

[heiserca]

Thank you, Sharon.  Since you found both Alexander Lockie & Agnes Fish born at Mertoun in 1850, they seem like a good working hypothesis to be the parents of Jean.  Only two things incline me question this identification:

- Mertoun is far from Hutton, where George Clezie lived.  How would they meet?  We have no other family connection with Mertoun.

- The naming pattern (1st son after father's father, 1st daughter after mother's mother, etc) has been remarkably accurate in this family.  But there is no Marian or Marion anywhere to be found. 

The age gap you noticed suggests that Agnes Fish might have died after 1778, and the children Jean (b. 1790) and John (b. 1794) belong to a second wife of Alexander Lockie?

[Sharon01]

The age gap you noticed suggests that Agnes Fish might have died after 1778, and the children Jean (b. 1790) and John (b. 1794) belong to a second wife of Alexander Lockie?

I am not sure about two wives both called Agnes Fish though.
I checked for a death on SP for Agnes but could not find one.

Sharon

[heiserca]

I haven't seen the original record.  Does it actually show Agnes Fish as the mother in 1790, and in 1794?  Many early church records showed only the father's name, not the mother.  Quite unreasonable but true.

If this record actually shows Agnes Fish as the mother, makes one wonder about the 12-year gap: Robert born 1778, Jean born 1790, no children between them.
         
Agnes herself was baptised 1750, so was 40 by 1790, and 44 in 1794 - yes, childbirth is possible at 44 but pushing the limits.  After 12 years with no babies, how exhausing to start a second family!

[aitchscot]

There are a few Lockie interred at Old Gordon Kirk Yard.

[terianne]

Quite possible to meet if their worked or had connection with the Mertoun estate as many of the Estates are linked throughout the Borders.

Also does your family have connection with Bemersyde near Scots View its in Mertoun Parish and the Lockie's in that area are buried in the adjacent graveyards, Mertoun, Earlston, St Boswells.  Also the Haig's have been associates with Bemerside for years.

[barbara13511]

There are another two possible children

Janet Locky 25/3/1781 HuttonFather Alexander, no mother
Mary 20/4/1783 Hutton, father Alexander - no mother

Fills that space in a little bit.

Barbara

[heiserca]

I thank all of you for that information.  These old records are so perverse - naming the father but not the mother!  I am no farther ahead in determining if Agnes Fish was the mother of all these children, or if there was another wife.  It does seem a long time for one woman to be having children, continuously from 1774-1794, while traipsing from Mertoun to Foulden to Chirnside to Hutton and back to Chirnside again.  But that was the nomadic life that seems to have been usual at the time, moving from farm to farm, following the work.