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2 names for father on certificates - help needed
« on: Wednesday 22 February 12 15:58 GMT (UK) »
Im hoping someone can shed some light on a brick wall I seem to have hit.

My great great grandmother was ALICE BOND born 14.9.1864 in Wellar,Notts. On her birth certificate her father is named as JOHN HAYWOOD BOND and mother ELLEN JOHNSON. Yet on her marriage certificate to THOMAS HEAD in 1884 her father is listed as ROBERT BOND.
On all the census returns Alices father is listed as Robert born 1837 Fleet, Lincolnshire.
Alices older sister Minnie was born in Barton,Lincs and I have found a birth record for a Mary Hannah Bond Haywood in 1862 which Im pretty sure is her.

Are JOHN HAYWOOD BOND and ROBERT BOND the same person? If anyone can shed some light on this I would be very grateful.
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Re: 2 names for father on certificates - help needed
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 22 February 12 16:09 GMT (UK) »
Just a thought -

try looking for brothers JOHN HAYWOOD BOND and ROBERT BOND with daughters called Alice of about the same age.

It wouldn't be the first time!   :)

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Re: 2 names for father on certificates - help needed
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 22 February 12 16:22 GMT (UK) »
Ive tried searching for John Haywood Bond and Ive not come up with anything so far. It may be a connection or coincidence but when I traced Robert Bonds sister Sarah A Bond b.1832 Fleet she marries a Henry Haywood in 1857 in Holbeach,Lincs. This has just confused me further  ??? Am I missing something blindingly obvious  ???

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Re: 2 names for father on certificates - help needed
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 22 February 12 16:32 GMT (UK) »
Does her fathers occupation on her marriage certificate match the census occupation for him?

I had two cousins born with the same name, qtr, year and place, but the occupation of the father on their marriage certificates help me sort them out

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Re: 2 names for father on certificates - help needed
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 22 February 12 16:53 GMT (UK) »
Robert is listed as a labourer on Alices marriage certificate and on the census' and John Haywood Bond is also listed as a labourer on Alices birth certificate

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Re: 2 names for father on certificates - help needed
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 22 February 12 17:27 GMT (UK) »
I assume the birth cert says Wellow not Wellar as on the census (that's how it sounds). Is this Alice's baptism?

Wellow St Swithin PR
bap 9 Oct 1864, Alice dau of John Hopwood ROSE & Ellen, of Wellow, Machine worker

It just comes from a transcript, and Hopwood ROSE could easily be a mis-transcription of Haywood BOND. Maybe someone could take a look at the original to check?

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Re: 2 names for father on certificates - help needed
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 22 February 12 17:33 GMT (UK) »
Just as a matter of interest, have you found Alice's parents' marriage (as stated on either certificate)?  I've just spent a fair while on FreeBMD looking for a marriage January 1855-1865 and I can't find anything.  Plenty of Robert Bonds with an Ellen on the same page, but no Ellen Johnson.  Nor are there any marriages at all for John Haywood Bond to anyone, or Ellen Johnson to any Bond in that timescale  ::)  Very strange.
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« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 22 February 12 17:42 GMT (UK) »
Who registered Alice's birth? Was it "John Haywood Bond" himself, or Ellen?

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Re: 2 names for father on certificates - help needed
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 22 February 12 17:46 GMT (UK) »
I have the same problem with one of mine- turns out that dad died when she was only 3 and she was brought up by a step dad. As she knew what her surname was, she used that as her dads name but gave the christian name and occupation of her step dad.

Her dad was William but by the time she married he had become John (stepdad!)
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