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Re: 2 names for father on certificates - help needed
« Reply #27 on: Sunday 26 February 12 12:23 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for the clarification, and this is certainly a tough cookie  ;)  I agree with avm228 that we need to find Ellen in 1861, so  :-*
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Re: 2 names for father on certificates - help needed
« Reply #28 on: Sunday 26 February 12 12:34 GMT (UK) »
Afterthought - If I ordered Ellens death certificate (I know her exact date of death and location) what info would that give me? I have only ordered birth and marr certs before so dont know if it would be of any help at all

It would depend on when Ellen died

Modern death certificates give date & place of birth (but only as accurate as the informant's knowledge of the deceased)
Older ones don't give this information
Parents names are not recorded at all

So at best you will only get a repeat of what I presume you already have got from census entries

There will also be a column for cause of death and Informant - which is very often a relative. You might get extremely lucky and find the informant is Robert John Hayward Bond thus confirming the two Bonds are one and the same!
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Re: 2 names for father on certificates - help needed
« Reply #29 on: Sunday 26 February 12 14:30 GMT (UK) »
Sorry about this, but have we got another anomaly in this family - Minnie?

1881 census - RG11 4669 folio 6 page 5 - Handsworth
Robert Bond - 42 - labourer in colliery - born Fleet
Elenor Bond - 42 born Newcastle
Mary (May) - 14, Thomas William - 9, Lily - 6, Rose - 3 and Robert Edward 2 weeks PLUS
William Hewit - 22 - son in law born Newark
Minnie Hewit - 19 - wife - born Barton
Robert William Hewit - 6 months - grandson born Handsworth

However, the only marriage I can find for William Hewit(t) with a Mary (Minnie's correct forename ??) on the same page is in Sheffield district in 1881 and Mary is Mary ELIZABETH OXLEY  :o :o  As Minnie is only 19 she surely can't be a widow, can she?  I can't see a marriage between Bond and Oxley 1875-1881.
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Re: 2 names for father on certificates - help needed
« Reply #30 on: Sunday 26 February 12 14:37 GMT (UK) »
Minnie is Mary Hannah Bond Haywood and she married William Hewitt Donson in Sheffield 1879 - took me a while to sort out this one too! She dropped the Haywood part of her name at some point and her husbands full name wasnt stated on that census. What a muddle eh!

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Re: 2 names for father on certificates - help needed
« Reply #31 on: Sunday 26 February 12 14:40 GMT (UK) »
Phew  ;D ;D ;D  They don't like making things easy for you, do they?
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Re: 2 names for father on certificates - help needed
« Reply #32 on: Sunday 26 February 12 16:10 GMT (UK) »
From lincs to the past
Baptisms Fleet
Sept 7 1837 Robert Bond son of William and Hannah father a labourer
Dec 29 1840 Hannah Bond dau of William and Hannah father a labourer
Baptism Barton on Humber St Mary
Apr 5 1863 Betsy dau of William and Elizabeth Haywood shoemaker. This is the only one I could find, no Bonds either between 1860-1865
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Cant find maiden name for my 3xgt grandmother - Help please
« Reply #33 on: Tuesday 17 October 17 18:43 BST (UK) »
Hi
Im trying to discover the maiden name of my 3xgt grandmother and have had no sucess, I put a post on here a few years ago but unfortunately the mystery wasnt solved. here is what I know: My 3xgt grandmother had a variety of names that she used across various censuses and on the birth certificates of her children. Her first name has been listed as Eleanor,Ellen,Lenora and Leonora. Her married (although I cant find a marriage certificate) name was Bond. On one of her childrens birth certifcates she lists her name as "Leonora Bond late Harcourt formerly Nevins" on another "Ellen Bond formerly Johnson" It also seems that she had her first child Mary Hannah Bond with a man called John Haywood and gives her name as "Ellen Haywood formerly Johnson"
She is listed as being born in Newcastle abt 1838.
Here are the 1871 details:

Attercliffe , Yorkshire , England
Robert Bond   34
Ellen Bond   33 born Newcastle, Northamptonshire, England
Minnie Bond   8
Alice Bond   6
May Bond   4

Any help would be great as i am completely stumped  ???

Thanks xx

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Re: Cant find maiden name for my 3xgt grandmother - Help please
« Reply #34 on: Tuesday 17 October 17 18:51 BST (UK) »
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Re: Cant find maiden name for my 3xgt grandmother - Help please
« Reply #35 on: Tuesday 17 October 17 18:59 BST (UK) »
Thanks Carole!