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Offline Mr Edd

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Esau & Henty Smith of the Black Patch & the Charlie Chaplin mystery
« on: Wednesday 22 February 12 16:44 GMT (UK) »
Hi All

I think most of you with links to the Black Patch will have heard the Charlie Chaplin story by now. If not there's plenty online.

I have recently made a connection between Absolom Smith king of the Gypsies who died at Twyford, Leicestershire in 1826 (who was a brother of Jasper)
linking them to & Esau & Henty King & Queen of the Black Patch.

This is thanks to another researcher. Anyway this alleged link to Chaplin is through is mother Hannah Hill (also noted online as Hannah Smith Hill) it's says that Hannah Hill was descended from Romany roots.

Try as I might I cannot make any connection with Chaplin's mother or Grandmother. One website suggests the connection is through his Great Grandmother.

Elsewhere another site goes as far to suggest that Esau might be Chaplin's Grandfather.

Has anyone delved into this? also I could do with an accurate list of Esau & Henty's Children/Grandchildren etc if anyone has such a list.

Thank you

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Re: Esau & Henty Smith of the Black Patch & the Charlie Chaplin mystery
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 22 February 12 23:37 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

I found this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannah_Chaplin

Several family trees on the ancestry site suggest that Hannahs mother Mary Ann Terry was born about 1840 in Surrey. I have had a look on FindMyPast at the 1841 census and found that there are two Mary Terrys born in Surrey one in 1838 and she is with her parents George and Ester and sister Emma and Mary, William and John King and Lousa Avis. The other Mary Terry is born in 1839 and is with her mother Mary, three John Tournier's Mary and Frederick Tournier and interestlingly Esther Smith aged 10.

So Esther Smith maybe the one to research.

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Lyne

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Re: Esau & Henty Smith of the Black Patch & the Charlie Chaplin mystery
« Reply #2 on: Monday 07 April 14 12:32 BST (UK) »
The story about Charlie Chapplin is not true, He was not born on the black patch.

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Re: Esau & Henty Smith of the Black Patch & the Charlie Chaplin mystery
« Reply #3 on: Monday 14 April 14 21:06 BST (UK) »
From online census and records so far I have found no connection to Romany in regards to Chaplin and i know his grandson has visited the University of Liverpool looking for any clues and in regard to making a  film? In his son's book he said it wasent true and that Chaplin him self used to use the gypsy story to enhance the mystery when he first started out in show buisness a bit like Yul Bryner and like wise his son said similar ?but who knows also like Elvis all searches have come up with no Romany connections as far as i can see?

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Re: Esau & Henty Smith of the Black Patch & the Charlie Chaplin mystery
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 10 June 18 00:12 BST (UK) »
The story about Charlie Chapplin is not true, He was not born on the black patch.

Yet, members of  Charlies family visit Black Patch   for  unveiling of the memorial and the annual  Romany reunion.
Even MI5 could not find a birth certificate for Charlie.
The majority of  Romany's did not bother with birth certificates .