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LALLY Caraun
« on: Saturday 25 February 12 17:49 GMT (UK) »
My 2x gtgrandfather was Patrick Lally, married to Mary Cosgrove, living at Garryredmond 1820s. There was also a family of Lallys, John Lally married to Margaret Walsh, living in Caraun.

Family oral history says the 2 families were related but I can't find a connection. Can anyone tell me if there are still Lallys living in Caraun?

I would be grateful for any information or suggestions as to where I could look.
Thanks Ros

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Re: LALLY Caraun
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 25 February 12 20:58 GMT (UK) »
Hello and welcome to rootschat  :)

You may want to take a look at Introduction to Irish Records

The Irish Census for 1901 and 1911 http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/

1820s is a very early period and you would be looking at Parish records, provided there were some. I am not sure either whether these would shows links between the families.

Here is another useful site http://mayo.rootsireland.ie/generic.php?filename=sources.tpl&selectedMenu=sources

If you are looking at modern times, you could try writing to the local church/ telephones (risky) /newspapers

best wishes
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Re: LALLY Caraun
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 29 February 12 02:15 GMT (UK) »
Hi Ros,

I have a similar situation in my own family tree, an uncommon surname in a village, evidence that just the one man with this surname came to the village in the early 1800s from another area of Mayo (from Schools Folklore Collection), where the surname is common, but family oral tradition suggests that the families (only two) with the surname in the village today aren't related (though I think this is more to do with my family not wanting to be related to the other family).

From Griffiths Valuation, by 1856, there were two Lallys (both Patrick) in the parish of Kilcolman (parish for Garryredmond and Caraun) one in Caraun and one in Garryredmond. You can search Griffiths Valuation yourself for free online, just google it, and there's threads about it in the Ireland resources section.

The fact that the name was uncommon in this parish might suggest that John and Patrick were related. What sort of relationship is there supposed to be between the two families? If they were brothers then maybe looking at the names of their children might signify something. There was a pretty common naming tradition whereby the eldest son was named for the paternal grandfather, second son for the maternal grandfather and third son for the father. There was a similar tradition for daughters. If eldest sons and eldest/second eldest daughters names match up it would be a good indicator.

If you're in Ireland, a sometimes helpful source for the origins of families in an area is the Schools Folklore Collection, on microfilm in Mayo Co. Library, you can read about the collection on that website, but it depends on the material each school collected. I'm guessing you've already done some research with the usual sources if you have the couples names including wives maiden names.

I don't know if I'm allowed mention other websites but mayo-ireland.ie has discussion boards for local towns/villages in Mayo, the discussion boards are used a lot by people researching their family trees and it's a good website for more specific family/area/genealogy queries. I think Ballindine, Claremorris, Irishtown and Ballyhaunis would be the nearest towns to your villages, so it might be worth a shot leaving messages there about the Lallys, or even finding older posts there about them.

Good luck!

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Re: LALLY Caraun
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 29 February 12 10:33 GMT (UK) »
Thankyou so much for your replies and suggestions.

I traced my family back to Garryredmond and visited in 2009. The farm is now owned by American descendants of the family but I met the next door neighbour, John Foy.  He remembered a Jim Lally visiting the Lallys in the 1950s/60s and visiting Joe Lally in Irishtown and John said that they were all cousins. Joe is definitely part of my family.
My gtgrandfather Thomas Lally was born at Garryredmond in 1829 so it's possible that he and John were brothers and that the family originated in Garryredmond and a son moved to Caraun or vice versa. I've found some records for John's children in the Claremorris parish registers but the families were not godparents for each others children.
The only other information I have is that one of John's daughters married John Roach / Roche of Knockatober Caraun.
Your point about the names is well taken. I have 16 Patrick Lallys in my tree, then there's John, James Thomas and of course Mary.
Anyway thanks again
Ros

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Re: LALLY Caraun
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 30 August 16 15:25 BST (UK) »
Hi Ros,
My name is David Lally and my family lived in Caraun until 1998 - we were the last of the Lally's in the area.
We relocated to Claremorris town where all my siblings still live.
I'm surprised John Foy never mentioned us - he knows us quite well.
Feel free to get in touch if I can help further with your family tree.
Regards,
David

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Re: LALLY Caraun
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 14 September 16 22:18 BST (UK) »
Hi David

Wow your message was a surprise. John Foy never mentioned your family but we were only there for a short while. I assume you are interested in family history as you are a member of this forum. My gtgrandfather Thomas was born in Garryredmond in 1829 and moved to Shanballymore between 1855 and 1858. I have a lot of information from then on but so far very little about the earlier period. I know he had a sister who married Patrick Nestor and a brother Patrick who stayed in Garryredmond but I  haven't been able to trace the Caraun connection.

I would be grateful for any information you could give me and would be more then happy to share any info I have with you.

Regards
Ros