monmouthshire burials

[osprey]

well, you have conficting info from death & birth cert. The uncle you mention registering the death of Anne Ellen, is he her son? How likely is it that he would get the birth date and place correct? It's not the easiest time when you register a death and mistakes can happen. My mother got her mother's age wrong when registering her death.

If Merthyr is correct, it would be Merthyr Tydfil as the other Merthyrs would have the second word in the name (Dyfan, Mawr).

If the birth date is correct, there are other possible birth regs   
Ellen Thomas dec qtr 1897 Merthyr Tydfil vol 11a pg 732
Ann Thomas march qtr 1898 Merthyr Tydfil vol 11a pg 737
Annie Thomas march qtr 1898 Merthyr Tydfil vol 11a pg 704

People were registered with the name they were known by, so a death under the name Anne Ellen doesn't mean her birth was necessarily registered as that.

Ystradyfodwg was a very large parish
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/Ystradyfodwg/

1901 53 Oxford St, Ystradyfodwg RG13/5020 folio 141 pg 17
Thomas J Thomas head mar 32 colliery repairer below ground b. Breconshire, Swansea Valley
Eleanor wife 34 b. Cardiganshire, Tregaron
John son 7 b. Glam, Maerdy
Ann dau 5 b. Maerdy
Williiam son 3 months b. Maerdy
Stephen son 3 months b. Maerdy
Benjamin Lewis boarder 21 colliery haulier b. Carmarthenshire, Whitland
John Lewis boarder 19 b. Whitland
William Henderson boarder 19 railway porter b. Glam, Taffs Well

so look for Oxford Street, Maerdy, Ferndale.

[osprey]

likely marriage reg for the couple at 53 Oxford Street

Thomas Thomas sept qtr 1893 Pontypridd vol 11a pg 763 with Ellen Thomas on the same page

By the way, maiden names don't appear on death certs until 1969 & even then info is only as good as the knowledge of the informant as at other times.

 

[rvb]

Hi I am back on my family tree and would like to give you an update.  Records Indicate Thomas Thomas lived at 29 William Street, Trethomas with Ellen Thomas until 1933.  The records show the house they lived in was as a result of Thomas' work (Miner).  Then in 1934 Ellen shows up on the electoral roll in 12 Edwards Terrace, Abertridwr with Annie and William Phillips (my grandparents) but no Thomas Thomas. Ellen Thomas dies in Sept 1934.  I have checked to see if Thomas Thomas died at that address in 1933-34 and they have no record of him.  Does anyone know of any other way I can get further information on Thomas Thomas at that address which may give me birth dates or where he was born.   On the rear of one of my uncles official boxing licence it  states mother comes from North Wales.  Family states Snowdonia but again not very specific.  Anyone got any ideas at all ?? or location I should search?  I know this is a toughy but any help would be appreciated.

[osprey]

have you checked the 1939 register for William & Annie? It should give their dates of birth so would confirm the date given on her death certificate?

[rvb]

Hi Yes I have I have found William and annie phillips and their children.  When they moved from trethomas on the electoral roll in 1933 in abertridwr, it had annie William and ellen Thomas but no Thomas Thomas.  Ellen died in 1934

[osprey]

does the date of birth match the one you have mentioned? 23 Dec 1897?

If so, there is a Glamorgan school admission for Ann Ellen Thomas in 1906 admitted to St Mary's RC Seniors dob 23/12/1897 father Thomas, address Picton Inn, previous school Wrexham RC.

[osprey]

possibles from 1911 with correct names of parents

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWX4-DTP

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWX3-MKK

second one being the same family that I gave you the 1901 census and you have the birth cert that gives a different date of birth.

Also, this one working away from home

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWXJ-R1W

If she is the one born in Vaynor, have you asked the registrars at Merthyr Tydfil to check for her birth to see if date matches?
https://www.merthyr.gov.uk/resident/births-deaths-marriages/copy-certificates/
Or likewise the Pontypridd registrars in case she was the one born in Rhondda?

[rvb]

Hi thank you for all that information.  I have contacted Merthyr to ask them if they can check the dob to see if it corresponds between 1939 census and 1911 census.  On the 1939 census it give annie ellens dob as ??/12/1896.  I have considered the vaynor one before and checked with one of my uncles who said he didn't think that was the family  but I still have my doubts that he may be wrong.  I was trying to find the 1901 census for this one as from memory she had 9 children but only one survived.  The rhondda one I have considered this one too as there are twins in the family.  According to my grandmother she had several twins who did not survive and this could be a link.  Anyway I will wait and see now what they find with the Merthyr records.  thanks again you have been so helpful

[rvb]

I am getting a little excited about the  Glamorgan school admission register for annie as the closest I have got through the 1939 census states dob: ??/12/1986.  The school admission stated 23/12/1897.  The various family members state her birthday was 23rd December.  My gran (annie) always said she was from north wales but I never got close to her being in that area from the certificates I have furthest north was Ammanaford.  One of my uncles boxing licences on the back states mother born north wales but no specific area.  So you can see why I am really really interested in this piece of information.  thank you osprey