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Re: monmouthshire burials
« Reply #27 on: Friday 15 June 18 13:11 BST (UK) »
1901 for this family has been mentioned before

Ucha Voel, Dyserth, Flintshire RG13/5234 folio 54 pg 23
Thomas R Thomas head mar 35 lime quarryman b. Llanidan, Carnarvonshire
Ellen wife 36 b. Llanddewi, Denbighshire
Ellen Ann dau 5 b. Glamorganshire
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: monmouthshire burials
« Reply #28 on: Saturday 16 June 18 10:49 BST (UK) »
Osprey thanks for this information, in the past I have eliminated this one because it states Thomas was a quarryman and the official  certificates I have states he was a coal hewer.  I am assuming quarrymen were working with slate? but will look into this a little further.  I have investigated picton inn and Wrexham  to see what I could find on annie.   Picton Inn could have been a work place and there is a picton inn in Merthyr Tydfil, aberaman and nantyffyllon - all very close to each other so that may pinpoint the area prior to 1911 census.   This looks interesting as I have certificates on Annie which pinpoints her living in caerau which is quite close to these areas.   I have also looked at Wrexham and see that the coal industry was a major player right up to 1946.  Therefore the family indicated Thomas Thomas moved to south wales to find work which does not really fit into this information.  however I have a few more leads to look into.  thank you
Names: Thomas, Phillips
Areas: Senghenydd, Abertridwr, Trethomas, Caerau, Glamorganshire
Llandilofawr, Carmarthenshire

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Re: monmouthshire burials
« Reply #29 on: Saturday 16 June 18 11:23 BST (UK) »
Thomas was a lime quarryman on the census, so limestone not slate.

https://www.dyserth.com/quarrying.html

The link shows Upper Foel Road, census is Ucha Voel, same place.

Quarrying and hewing I would have thought were close enough to allow for transfer, both cutting jobs. There was probably more work available in coal at the time.

I think the school she went to was this one
http://calmview.cardiff.gov.uk/Record.aspx?src=CalmView.Catalog&id=D715
which might help identify which Picton Inn it was, so in Picton Street. (many places named for Thomas Picton - he died at Waterloo)
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: monmouthshire burials
« Reply #30 on: Tuesday 10 July 18 00:31 BST (UK) »
Hi Osprey Just thought I would give you an update that I ordered the final marriage certificate for annie ellen Thomas dated 11/10/1965 and I received it this week.  It actually states her fathers name was Thomas Robert Thomas (deceased) collier.  This is the first time that I have come across a middle name for Thomas Thomas.  I then noticed the family you think is applicable mentions Thomas R. Thomas.  I am trying to locate annie ellens birth certificate reference as I think you could be right in that Thomas could be a quarryman in 1901 and then was a collier in 1911.  I can see annie was born in Glamorgan where her parents were not.  Do you agree this is her reference for her birth certificate so I can order it.  Volume:11A, Page:483, Line Number:359.  Thanks again for your help.
Names: Thomas, Phillips
Areas: Senghenydd, Abertridwr, Trethomas, Caerau, Glamorganshire
Llandilofawr, Carmarthenshire


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Re: monmouthshire burials
« Reply #31 on: Tuesday 10 July 18 20:40 BST (UK) »
no, I think that is the reference for a different girl as a child born in Vaynor would not be registered in Pontypridd, she should have been registered in Merthyr Tydfil. Given her December birth, the registration may have been dec qtr but could be march qtr of the following year. She may have been registered as plain Annie.
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: monmouthshire burials
« Reply #32 on: Tuesday 17 July 18 09:15 BST (UK) »
Hi Osprey I am still trying to find annie from brecknock vaynors birth ref: do you think this is a possibility.
Annie Thomas
Registration Year:
1896
Registration Quarter:
Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district:
Crickhowell
Parishes for this Registration District:
View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County:
Breconshire
Volume:
11b
Page:
87

I have contacted Glamorgan records re the school registration and they don't believe there would be any further information in their records but are checking this out for me.

thanks again

RUTH
Names: Thomas, Phillips
Areas: Senghenydd, Abertridwr, Trethomas, Caerau, Glamorganshire
Llandilofawr, Carmarthenshire

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Re: monmouthshire burials
« Reply #33 on: Tuesday 17 July 18 16:22 BST (UK) »
the registration district of Crickhowell covered these parishes

https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/crickhowell.html

Vaynor not included, it was covered by Merthyr Tydfil

https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/merthyr%20tydfil.html

If you use the GRO site to check for registrations, you get mother's maiden name as well which can help to eliminate candidates.
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp
The maiden name given for that birth reg is Bishop and there's also a Stephen Joseph with same mmn registered 2 years earlier leading to this family in 1901
25 The Rise, Beaufort RG13/5172 folio 49 pg 4
Evan Thomas head mar 32 miners secretary's clerk
Mary Jane wife 30
John Edgar son 9
Stephen Joseph son 7
Annie dau 5
Harold son 1
Fanny Williams mother-in-law widow 70 b. Somerset, Paulton
all born Beaufort except Fanny
Evan Thomas married Mary Jane Bishop dec qtr 1890 Crickhowell vol 11b pg 259

If she was born in Vaynor, Annie Ellen should have been registered at Merthyr Tydfil. There is 
Ellen dec qtr 1897 mmn Davies vol 11a pg 732
Ellen march qtr 1895 mmn Phelps vol 11a pg 742
Eleanor Ann march qtr 1898 mmn Williams vol 11a pg 700
Annie dec qtr 1896 mmn Holmes vol 11a pg 775
Ann march qtr 1896 mmn Davies vol 11a pg 716
Ann dec qtr 1895 mmn Thomas vol 11a pg 644
Ann dec qtr 1895 mmn Jones vol 11a pg 672
Ann dec qtr 1895 mmn Lewis vol 11a pg 638
Ann march qtr 1896 mmn Davies vol 11a pg 716
Ann march qtr 1898 mmn Thomas vol 11a pg 737

So you may need to ask the registrars to search to check names of parents
https://www.merthyr.gov.uk/resident/births-deaths-marriages/copy-certificates/
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb