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Re: croxford shop in shude hill manchester
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 02 May 12 00:45 BST (UK) »
Hi 
Daniel C was the youngest son of quite a large family and I presume he left home in Wendover and made the journey to Manchester on his own.  Times were hard in farming communities and he didn't stand a chance of inheriting the family home.  Manchester was a growing town and there would have been opportunities there but I remember reading that the Shude Hill area in the mid 19th century was an overcrowded, poor area and very run down.

Ellen Picker was only 16 when she married George Croxford although she put 21 on the marriage certificate - they were my gt gt grandparents.  Their daughter Eliza Ellen married Joseph John Pink on 20th Sept 1868 in Liverpool and Eliza Ellen's father, George, is listed as a hat box maker on that.

Who is the Ellen who ran away to marry your grandfather Samuel?  Did George and Eliza have a daughter Eliza Ellen and a daughter Ellen?

On the 1881 census for Bolton Joseph and Eliza Pink are living on Manor Street with their young family, including my grandfather John Pink then aged 5.  Also with them was Eliza's younger brother, George Crocford [sic] aged 13, born in Liverpool.

Eliza Ellen (Croxford) Pink died in Nottingham at the home of my grandparents on Christmas Day 1921.

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« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 02 May 12 09:42 BST (UK) »
Bit more about Daniel Croxford of Shudehill from the Guardian newspaper archives:

Short piece mentions Daniel Croxford in relation to his right to be on the voting register. Dated 25 September 1841, it says he had been in the 'house and shop' at Shudehill for 6 months and also had possession of a warehouse in Fountain St

Another one 15 May 1847 - in a court case Mrs Croxford, smallware dealer of Shudehill, identifed some stolen beads as being from her shop

Earliest one I can seee is a classified ad, 23 Feb 1833; 'To be let, a large room with Power. For particulars apply to D. Croxford, 75 Fountain Street."

You probably know that Daniel died in 1853; small death notice appeared on 5th March 1853 announcing his death on 27th February. Elsewhere in the same day's paper an advert announced the sale of the stock in trade & goodwill of the Shudehill business.

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« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 02 May 12 10:55 BST (UK) »
Thanks for that Barbara and no I didn't have Daniel's death date or any of the info about the shop.  That's interesting about the warehouse.  Daniel had a small legacy in his grandfather's will so maybe that's what gave him the chance to leave home in Buckinghamshire and set up the small business.

It was only on a whim that I did a late night search for him yesterday, to see if there was anything new and that's proving so fruitful!

I love the fact that I have various ancestors who were traders and they all come together in Nottingham in the early 20th c where my paternal grandparents, Annie Ford and John Pink founded a firm of hosiery/drapery/household stores and all from a single market stall!

Daniel Croxford was baptised in 1798 in Wendover, so he didn't live to a great age but I guess living conditions weren't good in burgeoning towns at that period. Daniel and his wife Eliza nee Thomas had a very large family but mostly girls.

I'd like to know more about George and Ellen Croxford and the hat box business in Liverpool.  I live in Essex now but have a lot of Lancashire ancestors from both sides of my family.  I must do something about boarding my family history interests.

The Lincolnshire Picker side of the Croxford family of Liverpool is interesting.  Ellen Croxford's father Frederick Picker was the son of William Picker who was a mason/builder from the village of Helpringham and it's possible that the family were of Dutch/Netherlands origin.

Thanks again   Chris

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Re: croxford shop in shude hill manchester
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 02 May 12 14:21 BST (UK) »
CHRIS C 22...my apologies ...it should of course be frederick george croxford...married ellen scott in 1879....specsavers here i come...i have a picture of ellen croxford/scott...terrible copy but i think she looks very "scottish" not surprising as her ancestry comes in part from bewcastle in the borders and probably originally from newcastleton in scotland...


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« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 02 May 12 15:49 BST (UK) »
Thanks Borderman
I'd got Frederick George's birth but not his marriage.  Suddenly, just from one post last night I'm getting all sorts of info and beginning to put things in better order re the Croxfords in Lancs.

Do you need any info on the Picker side, such as in Lincolnshire?  I don't have much, but it's better than nothing.  Strangely, without any knowledge of our ancestry there at the time, my son bought a house two villages away from Helpringham and still lives there - in Heckington.

Do you know anything about the Thomas side of the family, as in Eliza Thomas who married Daniel Croxford in Manchester in 1830?

I know Cumbria well, I lived there for many years, first in the south and latterly in Uldale in the Northern Fells, near Caldbeck.  And through my married side my (adult) kids have a strong link to the Borders i.e. Lanercost, Brampton, Stapleton and Arthuret. I love it around there, so wild and unruly, particularly Bewcastle.  There's a now lost farmhouse just north of Lanercost, in Kingwater, that was known as [W]Ryegarth where several generations of our side of the Little Clan lived and the Craghills were all over the region as well, such as Hardhirst in between Kircambeck and Lanercost.  I'm actually a regional historian and have done some work on the Border Reivers.

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Re: croxford shop in shude hill manchester
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 02 May 12 23:55 BST (UK) »
CHRIS C22    MY ANCESTORS HAD A HOUSE NEAR BEWCASTLE WHICH STILL STANDS;SAUGHTREES...I'VE LOOKED BACK TO FREDERICK PICKER M ELLEN CRASTON   AND EDWARD CRASTON M ELLEN HASSLEHURST...THEN TO THOMAS HASSLEHURST...

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« Reply #15 on: Thursday 03 May 12 11:49 BST (UK) »
Borderman   I have the Picker/Craston connection leading back to Hasslehurst but did not have Thomas Hasslehurst.  Do you have anymore on the Hasslehursts?  Also do you have anymore on the Thomas line - I'm presuming that eventually goes into Wales?

Frederick Picker, son of William Picker (mason) and Mary Moulds was baptised April 23rd 1810 (Helpringham PRs).  Mary Moulds was the second wife of William Picker, his first wife Anna Maria Wimpress died in Oct 1803.  Confusingly there were two William Pickers in Helpringham at the same time - one a farmer and one a mason - ours was the mason and I think he died, aged 78, in 1839 with burial date Oct 28th.  So, birth date c 1761 - not found yet but relevant PRs are not very legible and it is possible that the name could have been written as Pickerd at one time.

Mary Moulds daughter of Thomas Moulds (ag. lab.) and Elizabeth ? was baptised in Swaton parish church May 23rd 1782 (Swaton PRs).  Swaton is the next village to Helpringham.  I can't get any further back with the Moulds line but it is possible that Thomas was from Northants.

Daniel Croxford was the son of John and Margaret Croxford of Wendover and he was baptised on Aug 25th 1799 (Wendover PRs) - I was out by a year before.  John Croxford (bapt Oct 28th 1762. Wendover PRs) was the son of George and Mary Croxford of Wendover.  I also have the IGI printout for the Croxford name in Bucks and they were largely Wendover parish.  Not been able to find an ancestral home - yet!  Daniel Croxford is not on the IGI but definitely in the actual parish register.

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« Reply #16 on: Thursday 03 May 12 23:36 BST (UK) »
CHRIS C 22    WILL DIGEST THE INFO AND WILL BE BACK

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« Reply #17 on: Friday 04 May 12 16:12 BST (UK) »
Chris c22....thanks for info..i have ellen hasslehurst born in Winwick Lancashire 18.10.1772. On the Croxfords i have 6 children born to John/Margaret  ..John 1793  William 1795 Kenneth 1797 Daniel 1799 Mary 1806...parents i think may be...George b 7/3/1735 Mary Vere ..their parents probably Christopher Croxford b 16/5/1695 and Jane.  On Daniel Croxford and Elizabeth Thomas i have 8 children..george  henry  samuel  helen  margaret  sarah  elizabeth and clara  for some reason i have an elizabeth b 1852 and emily b 1848..don't know where i got that from...i was quite interested in the Vere family...i think they were early MP's...i also have a note that says George Croxford had 3 children...Alice b 1855  William b 1859 and Frederick b 1856...i should have said George Croxford married Jane Ann Scott in 1879...it was their daughter Ellen that was my Grandmother...