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Re: smith/booth gypsies nottingham
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 14 April 12 13:41 BST (UK) »
Hi,

I've not done anything on Gypsies so dont know the answer.

I have found Everett Plumb on the 1881 census living at 49 Deptford St Bulwell,
with him is wife Kesiah born abt 1839 Eaton, Leicestershire
Children:
Selina born 1859 Eaton
Everett born 1864 Gotham Nottingham
Henry born 1868 Gateby Leicestershire
Kesiah born 1870 Bagworth Leicestershire
Flora born 1875 Bulwell Nottingham
Lora born 1876 Derbyshire
John James born 1878 Gunthorpe Nottinghamshire
Sophia born 1881 Syerston
also with them as boarders are
Mary Ann Plumb born 1860 Nottingham
Everett Plumb born 1881 Bulwell.

Christenings John James Plumb 28 April 1878 at Lowdham
and Ann Selina 14 Oct 1860 Bingham Church (surname down as plum)
both childrfen of Everett and Kesiah

death of Everett was Sept Qtr 1888 Nottingham aged 56yrs.

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Re: smith/booth gypsies nottingham
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 15 April 12 01:02 BST (UK) »
Hi again,

Yes this is the same family I'm looking at - I'll have a look at my file tomorrow and come back...
I feel sure that Keziah Booth is connected in someway to the Smith Gypsy family who is encamped with them/beside them during the 1871 census - Keziah is as a Booth and the rest of the family as Plumb's.

I'll post again later when I can get my info  together.

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Smith, Plumb, Booth, Slater, Purdy, Clayton, Loveridge
Gray, Parker, Elliott, Wright, Towle, Wesseldine, Margot's, Bacon, Blankley, Goodwin, Stafford.

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Re: smith/booth gypsies nottingham
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 15 April 12 16:33 BST (UK) »
Hi - Back again,

This is all I know about the Booth gypsy connection...

1871 census
Radford, Sneinton,  Land Society's field caravan, nottinghamshire
In first van
John Smith bn 1834 - his 2 co wives and all their children

next Van
Everitt Plumb bn 1833 Head 38  bn Nottinghamshire
Keziah Booth bn 1839  Boarder 32  Bn Leicestershire
James Plumb  bn  1866 Son       5  Bn      "
Henry Plumb  bn  1868 son        3   bn      "
Keziah Plumb bn  1871 daug      0   bn      "
Everett Plumb bn  1864 son       7    bn    Notts
Amelia Plumb  bn   1860  daug   11  bn  Leic

Everett Plumbs bn 1833 - his parents were
Nathan Plumb bn 1797 - 1885 Lambley and
Ann Cook bn 1806 - 1870 Gunthorpe Notts

One of their other daughters and Everett's sister was a Violetta Plumb bn 1833
who married in 1852 2Q Nottingham a William Caunt.  Someone has a lot of their family history on line.  They ended up living in Grantham.

Not sure if this helps you...

What I have learnt by reading books is that when looking for Gypsy relatives you have to forget how the non-gypsy folk use their names in a set way.  Travelling folk interchange the surname - use mothers maiden name, or an alias - and change their first name from time to time as well - also they didn't always marry in the way we would call marry - so there is no legal trace - it's wonderful!!!  But most often there is a christening somewhere - you just have to find it.

I really need to make the connection with the Smiths and Keziah Booth...

Kazi
Smith, Plumb, Booth, Slater, Purdy, Clayton, Loveridge
Gray, Parker, Elliott, Wright, Towle, Wesseldine, Margot's, Bacon, Blankley, Goodwin, Stafford.

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Re: smith/booth gypsies nottingham
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 15 April 12 16:44 BST (UK) »
Thank you for that  ;D
all I have to do now is try to connect my Plumb with those.
you mentioned vans at Radford and Sneinton....my relatives were born there so that ties in with what I know so far
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Re: smith/booth gypsies nottingham
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 15 April 12 17:53 BST (UK) »
Hi Kaziah,

Have you thought about getting one of the children's of Everett and Keziah birth certificate to see what "maiden" name is down for Keziah.

We know of Ann Selina Plumb (Selina on 1881 census and Amelina on 1871 census) birth reg Melton Mowbray Sept Qtr 1859 Vol 7a Pg 223.

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Re: smith/booth gypsies nottingham
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 15 April 12 18:01 BST (UK) »
I'm thinking maybe my Sarah Plumb was Nathan Plumb's sister......i'll keep digging
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Re: smith/booth gypsies nottingham
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 15 April 12 18:18 BST (UK) »
just saw on FS site that

Keziah Plumb bn  1871 was born Bagwoth Leicester

That's where My father was born
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Re: smith/booth gypsies nottingham
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 15 April 12 18:31 BST (UK) »

Nathan Plumb was christened Lambley on 8 Nov 1799 son of William & Ann
Sarah Plumb christened Lambley on 6 May 1798 daughter of William & Ann.

I will check Sarah's marriage when i'm in the archives this week to see who the witnesses were..


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Re: smith/booth gypsies nottingham
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 15 April 12 18:36 BST (UK) »
 :o could you look up
Samual elks and Sarah Plumb's marriage if possible please x
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