As suggested, I am using the forum:)
On the Palmer line, I am sure of Herbert Samuel Palmer born 5 November 1888 in Bristol and died 3 March 1958 in Saint John, New Brunswick, Canada. He and his brother Nathaniel Arthur Palmer born 12 February 1891 in Bristol came to Canada – Nathaniel paid the passage for Herbert’s family – Winifred Pretoria Herbert born 3 June 1900 in Plymouth, Devon died 26 September 1953 in Saint John, NB. and their two children Herbert Sydney Palmer and Winnifred May Palmer married.
Herbert Samuel Palmer’s father was Samuel Palmer as recorded in the 1891 Census about Samuel Palmer:
Age 27
Spouse: Elizabeth
Born: Bristol, Somerset, England
Civil Parish: Bedmunster
Ecclesiastical Parish: St. Paul
Town: Bristol
County/Island: Somerset
Piece 1946, Folio 96, Page 20
Household Members: Samuel Palmer age 27
Elizabeth Palmer age 22
Hobert S Palmer age 1
Nathan Palmer 5/12
Samuel Palmer was born about 1864 in Bristol and married Elizabeth Mary Sweet – father George Henry Sweet and mother Elizabeth Johns.
On the Herbert side, I am sure of my grandmother Winifred Pretoria Herbert born 3 June 1900 and the place of birth is listed as Plymouth, Devon. Death on 26 Sept. 1953 in Saint John, NB.
I have her father as James H.F. Herbert married to Eliza Ann and you found Stone as her surname.
The 1891 census about James H.F. Herbert:
Age 12 estimated birth 1879
Father’s name: James Herbert
Mother’s name: Susan Herbert
Born: Stonehouse, Cornwall, England
Civil Parish: Egg Buckland
Ecclesiastical Parish: Egg Buckland
Town: Egg Buckland
County/Island: Devon
Piece 1722, Folio 144, Page8
Household Members: James Herbert age 50
Susan Herbert age 49
George F. age 18
James H.F. age 12
You said “in 1901 Winifred is 10 months” and that sounds right as I have her born 3 June 1900.
You said her father “James H F Herbert is Frank b Stonehouse he marries as James Henry F to an Eliza Ann Stone Sept qtr 1897 Stoke D 5b 645 Stoke Damarel covered Devonport area”
How does a James H.F. Herbert become a Frank B. Stonehouse? And the children listed in 1891 are George and James – no mention of any others. However, I did find a JJ Herbert married to a James Herbert with the names of W. Herbert, Emily, Elis and Frank. I don’t think they are the same.
In the 1911 census, James HF is 33 married 14 years to Eliza who is 45. Children listed are Winifred P. 10 yrs, Victoria M 9 yrs and Frank S. 7 yrs. By the way, Frank S is Frank Sydney and that is probably where my dad gets his name Herbert Sydney Palmer.
Thanks for the marriage of James HF & Eliza. Since, I found his father was James Thomas Herbert born 1842 in Addlestrop, Gloucestershire. He is my 2nd great grandfather. Thanks to you I have his father William. Also, I have James Thomas’ spouse Susan Trevethick. I find records for Susan Stephens Trevithick (i not e). Birth 28 October 1838 Stoke Climsland Cornwall. Her father is listed as William 1814-1873 born Calstock Cornwall and her mother as Susan Stephens 1815-? Tadcaster Devon. They have 9 siblings for Susan.
Would you be good enough to check the spelling for Susan’s surname – census often showed different spellings. The Trevithick vein looks good – what do you think?
If anyone can contribute to these findings, I will be very grateful.
For the Palmer line, I am searching for the parents of Samuel Palmer birth about 1864 in Bristol and his wife’s (Elizabeth Mary Sweet 1869 -?) family George Henry Sweet 1849-1926 wife Elizabeth Johns 1848-1928.
For the Herbert line, I am searching for James Thomas Herbert’s father William and William’s wife.
Any hint is helpful as it can lead to more hints! Thank you very much.
