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Re: Isaac Moses, b. 1738, of Fenton, Cumberland
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 01 April 12 11:44 BST (UK) »
Tom,

pm me your email address and I will send you a copy of the will.

The 1841 census looks like a good candidate for John, Right name, right age, right occupation, living in the same street as at his death. He also has a young Ann Moses living with him, maybe the housekeeper Ann Row living as his wife. The "Not born in County" may just be a mistake.

His burial record at Tower Hamlets, 4 Feb 1849, says he was aged 68, of Limehouse.

His Death Cert may give more info such as his address and name of Informant, as well as Cause of death.

There is a John Moses death registered, March quarter 1849 in Stepney District (includes Limehouse), Volume 2 Page 389. Probably be the right one. You can obtain a copy here :

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

Alan.
Northumberland - Smith, Willis,
Durham - Rogerson, Child
Cumberland - Irving, Hill
North Yorkshire - Layfield,
Ireland - Collins

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Re: Isaac Moses, b. 1738, of Fenton, Cumberland
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 01 April 12 21:56 BST (UK) »
Thank you again!

The will is a little hard to read, due to blurry letters. But word by word, I think I will get it right.
I think the registrar of the 1841-census may have misjudged the household (maybe rightfully?) hence giving all grownups the surname Mosses.
I read the will as "my faithful housekeeper Ann Row, residing with me".

I ordered the death certificate and be sure; I'm really looking forward to receiving it by "snail-mail".

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Re: Isaac Moses, b. 1738, of Fenton, Cumberland
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 01 April 12 22:09 BST (UK) »
Hello Tom,

You may already have this :

1846 London Post Office Directory :

Moses, John & Co., ship chdlrs & com.agents, 47 Fore St., Limehouse.

Let us know the contents of the death cert when you get it.

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Re: Isaac Moses, b. 1738, of Fenton, Cumberland
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 01 April 12 22:14 BST (UK) »
I did not have this.

I'm a newbee to UK-sources and don't know my way around yet.

I will post the essence of the death certificate when I receive it.

Tom Kaasen

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Re: Isaac Moses, b. 1738, of Fenton, Cumberland
« Reply #13 on: Monday 02 April 12 11:40 BST (UK) »
To diverge slightly, to the cousin - a Thomas Moses was baptized at All Saints, Newcastle upon Tyne in June 1752, the son of Thomas. There are also records of the baptisms of Mary, Elizabeth, Margaret, Ann and Jane, as well as another boy, John. All are recorded as " child of Thomas Moses", though of course they may not be the same Thomas Moses. In Jane's record it states that her father is a butcher. Does this tie in with the information you have?
Newcastle upon Tyne of course has long established links with Norway.
Northumberland: Little, Hogg, Tyers, Reid
Durham: Todd, Lee,
Cumbria: Ross, Ivison, Tyers
Yorkshire North Riding: Pybus, Alderson, Rutherford, Mudd, Wilson
Sussex: Selmes, Ashdown, Freelove, Mitchell

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Re: Isaac Moses, b. 1738, of Fenton, Cumberland
« Reply #14 on: Monday 02 April 12 17:20 BST (UK) »
Hello

I guess you have found the Thomas Moses who was born June 1752 in Newcastle and who emigrated to Norway 1768. He would only be 16 years at the time. Thomas never married in Norway. He died 1822

The probate of Thomas lists 5 sisters in Newcastle (in this order):

Ann Wardle, listing 5 children
Mary Drummond, listing 4 children
Elizabeth Weatherby, listing 2 children
Jane Richarby, listing 2 children
Margereth Cook, listing 5 children

and finally, living in northern Norway
Ann Thomina, no children mentioned

I'm not sure the will/probate mentions any John, but then I haven't studied it too well. Took a few photos of pages who. I thought, could contribute to deciding which family this is.

"Old" Thomas should be "Old" Johns brother, originating from Berwick upon Tweed, according to what is part of Kristiansund's history.

As to long established links, I do hope there will be a new ferry-route soon!

Tom Kaasen
 

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Re: Isaac Moses, b. 1738, of Fenton, Cumberland
« Reply #15 on: Monday 02 April 12 21:09 BST (UK) »
The problem of the missing John is soved - I've found his burial at All Saints Newcastle.
June 20th 1798 - John Moses aged 32 of Red Heugh (pronounced, roughly, red - ee - uff), parish of Gateshead, son of Thomas Moses, butcher. So he died long before his brother Thomas.
Northumberland: Little, Hogg, Tyers, Reid
Durham: Todd, Lee,
Cumbria: Ross, Ivison, Tyers
Yorkshire North Riding: Pybus, Alderson, Rutherford, Mudd, Wilson
Sussex: Selmes, Ashdown, Freelove, Mitchell

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Re: Isaac Moses, b. 1738, of Fenton, Cumberland
« Reply #16 on: Monday 02 April 12 21:55 BST (UK) »
I have found references to the wills of both the John Moses who died in 1798 and his father, Thomas the butcher, who died in 1803, on the University of Durham's list of wills. Sadly, these are not yet available on line, but if they are of any significance to you, the website explains how to get them
http://familyrecords.dur.ac.uk/nei/data/neisearch.php
Click on "Advanced Search" and put Moses in the surname box and  you will get a list of all the people called Moses who have left wills.
I haven't had a lot of luck with the Moses family in Berwick. If you want to track them down there, put a request on the Northumberland board. There should be people there who have access to the Berwick records.
Northumberland: Little, Hogg, Tyers, Reid
Durham: Todd, Lee,
Cumbria: Ross, Ivison, Tyers
Yorkshire North Riding: Pybus, Alderson, Rutherford, Mudd, Wilson
Sussex: Selmes, Ashdown, Freelove, Mitchell

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Re: Isaac Moses, b. 1738, of Fenton, Cumberland
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 03 April 12 17:20 BST (UK) »
Thank you Gordie Mag!

Now I know this is a possibility.

Most wanted for me, right now, is to follow leads concerning "young" John Moses' company in Limehouse. I will post a query that area.

I also read another, handwritten source, in the local museum, saying that the oldest. legitimate son, Isaac Christopher Moses, b. Nov. 11, 1804, had married an unknown woman 1824. he is also referred to as Isaac Christian Moses in the settlement from the divorce, strange enough.


Tom Kaasen