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Re: which George Moss
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 18 April 12 23:50 BST (UK) »
news flash:in trove
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/result?l-decade=188&l-year=1883&q=napthlia+jane
 death of JANE NAPTHLIA aged 42 in her son's residnece Kent street 1883

PROBLEM no matching death registration under any form of spelling variation.

one  death in1883 with parent Thomas and Bridget but surname is Corbet and registered at MORPETH

Can't find a burial yet.
The following families and their Australian decendents:
Abbott, Barnard, Clarke, Inward, Lanfear, Rutter,Spencer:Middlesex
Greenaway:Cornwall
Edney, Godwin/Goodwin, Gullett:Hampshire;
Gullett:Devon
Emms:39th Regiment of Foot 1810-1832
Gordon:Scotland
Arnold, Morton:Ireland
Davies:Wales
Olcorn:Cumberland
Osborne:Staffordshire
Harrington:Kent
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Gross: Tullau Wurtmemburg Germany

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Re: which George Moss
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 19 April 12 06:55 BST (UK) »
Hi,
Thought you'd like to know that on a transcript of Albert Andrew Moss' marriage certificate to Mary Ann Barnett on 2 Sep 1884 at St Phillip's Church Sydney it lists
 Albert as being 22 years, born Sydney, Residence - Kent Street Sydney, Father- George Moss, Wine Merchant, Mother - Jane Batwell,
Mary Ann Barnett, 18 years, born Hobart, Residence - Athlone Place, Sydney, Father - George Barnett, Farmer, Mother - Mary Ann Chatsworth
Witnesses - Sidney Smith and Rose Moss (This is Albert's sister and her future husband)

BIRTHPLACE/AGE/PARENT DETAILS WERE OBTAINED FROM CHURCH REGISTER NO 292

Also re George Moss being charged with deserting his three illegitimate children, both he and Jane were listed in the Victorian Police Gazette of 1872
Batwell, Jane, children of, deserted, p12. Also Moss, George, children deserted by, p 12.

Cheers,
Sherryl

I am tracing Batwell's as they are a collateral branch of my Galwey family.


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Re: which George Moss
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 19 April 12 07:16 BST (UK) »
Sherryl,

many many  many thanks for this information.

The Police Gazzette information is invaluable. I had looked there but not found it, but I was searching fro George Moss only I  will have to look again. I assume that this is an indication that there was not a legal marriage between them.

My friend, whom I am helping, is researching her husband's family and I am directly related to him, and he (not me) is a direct descendant of George Moss aka Gabriel Moss through Mary Ann Heuston his legal second wife.(they are both in their 80's)

regards

Robyn
The following families and their Australian decendents:
Abbott, Barnard, Clarke, Inward, Lanfear, Rutter,Spencer:Middlesex
Greenaway:Cornwall
Edney, Godwin/Goodwin, Gullett:Hampshire;
Gullett:Devon
Emms:39th Regiment of Foot 1810-1832
Gordon:Scotland
Arnold, Morton:Ireland
Davies:Wales
Olcorn:Cumberland
Osborne:Staffordshire
Harrington:Kent
&
Gross: Tullau Wurtmemburg Germany

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Re: which George Moss
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 19 April 12 08:20 BST (UK) »
Welcome Sherryl

Robyn what a fantastic gift Sherryl has shared ... 

Cheers JM
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Re: which George Moss
« Reply #22 on: Thursday 19 April 12 08:31 BST (UK) »
VPG - 9th Jan 1872:



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Re: which George Moss
« Reply #23 on: Thursday 19 April 12 08:35 BST (UK) »
JM,
It is indeed as I cannot now get into the PRO in Melbourne and those Gazette records are not available on line it is great information.

I hope she posts another 2 times so I can PM her an email contact of the other researchers looking at BATWELL .

My friend and I have been really concentrating Moss/Davies/Heuston line but now I feel they may be able to include the Batwell children in the research we had been reluctant to include them on the material availble to us before.

George Moss son of Wolf & Frances Moss must have been an exceptional man!!! juggling 3 realtionships almost simultaneously!!!

Robyn

Thanks Merlin
The following families and their Australian decendents:
Abbott, Barnard, Clarke, Inward, Lanfear, Rutter,Spencer:Middlesex
Greenaway:Cornwall
Edney, Godwin/Goodwin, Gullett:Hampshire;
Gullett:Devon
Emms:39th Regiment of Foot 1810-1832
Gordon:Scotland
Arnold, Morton:Ireland
Davies:Wales
Olcorn:Cumberland
Osborne:Staffordshire
Harrington:Kent
&
Gross: Tullau Wurtmemburg Germany

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Re: which George MOSS
« Reply #24 on: Thursday 19 April 12 14:45 BST (UK) »
Yes thanks Merlin!
Glad I could help with some of the Jane info. Your past posts have given me a child I didn't have listed - Ernest Arthur b 1871 - I don't get to the library often to look up Vic Records.
I think I might not have all the Sarah and George children either as my numbers tally with the details recorded when Annie Leah was born - I have Mary Ann/Marian (1837-1915), Edwin James (1839 - 1841), George Wolfe Moss (1841-1902), Lewis William (1842-1870), Harry Charles (1842 - 1872), Edwin Lindsay/Edward (1844-1885), Sophie Eliza Clarke Moss (1847-1905), Sydney John (1849-1902), Lydia Sarah Ann (1851-1852), Sarah Ann (1852-1874), John William (1854-?) and Frederick Isaac (1856-1876). Have I lost count somewhere?
 No wonder poor Sarah passed away in 1863.
Sherryl



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Re: which George MOSS
« Reply #25 on: Thursday 19 April 12 15:18 BST (UK) »
 ;D   ;D   ;D

Here's some more info .... as Peter Cundall says "and that's your bloomen lot" until next time ! (it is very late here)

1870 Melbourne Sands Dir
George MOSS, Dryburgh St, HOT
Angel MOSS (of Moss, White and Co); p.r.  Rathdowne St, CARL
George MOSS (of Moss, White & Co); p.r. Clyde St, St. K
George MOSS, commission agent, 28 Little Lonsdale street east  (also in the Trades entries under Brokers, Agents and Commission Agents, GENERAL)
George MOSS, general dealer, 32 Litt. Bourke street west
George MOSS, furrier, 7 Bourke st west; p.r. 16 Capel St, HOT
Peter MOSS, 176 Eastern road EM. H (IS THIS EMERALD HILL and is this of interest re the wife and 3 deserted children re Sherryl’s and Merlin’s mentions of the Vic Police Gazette, so who was Peter Moss ??? )
MOSS, WHITE and CO (Moss, G.; White, J.K.; Moss, Angel), importers and cigar manufacturers, 63 Queen St

More MOSS from that very same directory.... 

re Capel St HOTHAM
Capel Street, East side, from Victoria St to Bedford St
Various entries then
AT No. 6: Thomas JENNINGS then as follows on the list:
Ephraim MOSS
Alfred HIGGINSON
George MOSS
Ludwick MEYRING
Thomas SEEL
Then Shannon and Shamrock Hotel, Patrick D’Arcy
Then Queensberry St

Re Dryburgh St HOTHAM
Dryburgh St, East Side from Queensbury St to Arden St
Various entries then
84 Dryburgh St, Mrs CHARLES then as follows on the list
George MOSS
Mrs COULSELL
88 James FORSYTH
Various others until Arden St

Re Clyde St, South Side, ST KILDA
Between Grey and Acland Streets
Around the middle of the list :  George MOSS   others  in that section of that street included a grocer, a bootmaker, a carpenter, a butcher, a carpenter and joiner, a master mariner.

Re Little Bourke St, West, between Vengeance lane and Boxers alley (great names for these side streets !)
At No. 32, George MOSS, general dealter (others were a hotel, some joiners, a locksmith, a patent collar maker, a bootmaker, a Bazaar, and a shoeing forge.

Re Bourke St west, on the North side (of course, not to be confused with Little Bourke St West !)
Between Elizabeth street and Queen St (remember that there were Knight Bros, the Australian wine merchants on corner of Bourke St and Queen St ... actually at 73 Queen St,  and then also further along was the Synagogue)
So at 7 Bourke St West near to Elizabeth St was George MOSS, a furrier

You want more .... Oh well here's more !

So I can confirm that in the 1870 NSW ER
for WEST SYDNEY
Alfred MOSS, qualified to enrol : residence at 103 Princes Street  (he HAD to be at least 21 years of age, to enrol)
NONE  listed as George MOSS (none , not one ! see next electorate !)

for EAST SYDNEY
George MOSS, residing in Hunter St, qualified as a freeholder at 30 High St errr JM typo ! he was at 30 HILL st
George MOSS, residing in Brisbane st, qualified as a householder at 33 Brisbane St
George MOSS, residing in Victoria St, qualified as a freeholder in Victoria St
George MOSS, residing in Macquarie St qualified as his office was in Castlereagh St
George MOSS, residing in Macquarie street South, qualified as his household was in Macquarie Street South. 

Cheers,  JM (I have probably got lots of other bits and pieces, but here’s 5 George MOSS chaps in Sydney NSW in 1870, and 5 in Melbourne VIC in 1870 ... probably they got their names listed err ... just to keep us all alert in the 21st C)

PS, Sherryl,  I am not a MOSS relative (well I don't think I am, but so many of my families were in Sydney Town before the gold rushes, so I am a tad NSW Centric !)

Edit to fix the 1870 street address from NSW ER EAST SYDNEY (I have no idea where I thought "High" could be !)
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Re: which George MOSS
« Reply #26 on: Friday 20 April 12 00:54 BST (UK) »
Sherryl
Our summary and we have no birth for Frederick Isaac only a reference in the SMH in 1849 for which we have no matching birth record.

SARAH ANN  Davies married 1839 died 30th December 1862
1837    Mary Anne Frances (married Cadogan/shaw)
1839    Edwin J died 1841
1841    George Wolf  died 1902 married Johanna Palmer
1842    William
1842    Henry died 1876
1844    Edward died 1885 married Emma Mary Rawnsley
1844    Sydney J died 1902
1847    Sophia Eliza Clark married Joseph Phillips
1849    ???? unnamed son (smh)  possibly Frederick I d 1876
1851    Lydia S A died 1852
1852    Sarah A married Albert Aaron Russell
1854    John W married Mary Farrell
 
= 8 boys 4 girls

JANE BATWELL "married 1861" died 1883 married 2 James Napthali 1875
1862    Albert married Mary Ann Barnett
1863    Rebecca died 1877 married Joseph Gardiner
1865    Rose died 1919 married Sydney Smith
1866    Annie Leah died 1931 (melb) married 1. Robert Clark 2. William Borthwick

MARY ANN HEUSTON married 1864 married 2 Elias Abel
1864     Lydia J
1867     Leopold Alfred George married Deborah Leah Mandelson
1869     Amy F died 1870 (melb)
1871     Ernest Arthur (melb)

regards

Robyn
The following families and their Australian decendents:
Abbott, Barnard, Clarke, Inward, Lanfear, Rutter,Spencer:Middlesex
Greenaway:Cornwall
Edney, Godwin/Goodwin, Gullett:Hampshire;
Gullett:Devon
Emms:39th Regiment of Foot 1810-1832
Gordon:Scotland
Arnold, Morton:Ireland
Davies:Wales
Olcorn:Cumberland
Osborne:Staffordshire
Harrington:Kent
&
Gross: Tullau Wurtmemburg Germany