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Online Mike in Cumbria

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Help with some elusive Jones ancestors please
« on: Saturday 28 April 12 19:54 BST (UK) »
Hi

Any thoughts or help with the following people would be much appreciated. William Jones, on the 1881 census below is my great grandfather, William Edward Jones. I have him on all the censuses from here to 1911, plus his marriage certificate.  I'm struggling to get further back than him though. Do you think the 1871 family below is the same as the 1881 one? It looks very like them, even though the infant Mary seems to have become Jane! There are also minor differences in birthplaces, but I think these are explainable.

If you DO think it's the same lot, any help in tracing Edward or Jane further back would be invaluable. So far I've drawn a complete blank and these are people I really want to trace.

Thanks in advance for looking.

Mike Jones

1881 census 2668/5/2
Cross Keys, Loppington, Shropshire
Edward Jones 1845 (36) Farm Labourer Born Oswestry, Shropshire
Jane Jones 1843 (38) Born Worthen, Shropshire
Jane Jones 1871 (10) Born Loppington, Shropshire
William Jones 1874 (7) Born Loppington, Shropshire  (“do” on census)


1871 census 2793/36/8
Wood, Burlton, Shropshire
Edward Jones 1845 (26) Agricultural labourer Born Ruyton X1 towns, Shropshire
Jane Jones 1843 (28)  Wife      Born Worthen, Shropshire
Mary Jones 1871 (0) Daughter Burlton, Salop
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Re: Help with some elusive Jones ancestors please
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 28 April 12 21:08 BST (UK) »
was the child maybe Mary jane ??

Have you found her birth reg??

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Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England
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Re: Help with some elusive Jones ancestors please
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 28 April 12 21:17 BST (UK) »
Hi Suz

Mary Jane is my guess, and they settled in to calling her Jane by the time she was 10. No, I haven't located a birth cert yet.

Mike
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Re: Help with some elusive Jones ancestors please
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 28 April 12 21:21 BST (UK) »
I see 4 Mary Jane Joneses born in Shropshire in 1871, but none of them in the Wem district. I guess it's one of them, but 4:1 isn't good odds!
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Re: Help with some elusive Jones ancestors please
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 03 May 12 20:41 BST (UK) »
I've done a lot of slogging away on this, and think I have been able to traces Edward and Jane Jones both backwards and forwards. I don't want to think how many Jones families I looked at in the process. If anyone could cast their eyes over this and point out any flaws or corroboration, I'd be extremely grateful. I guess the weakest link is between the 1861 and 1871 Edward Joneses, but I can't see a better candiadate in 1861. I think that Baschurch and Ruyton XI towns are very close together - is this correct?

Thanks for looking.

Mike


1911 Census  RG14PN16206 RG78PN1003 RD352 SD1 ED10 SN43
Burlton, Loppington
Edward Jones 1846 (65) widower. Farm labourer. Born Ruyton XI Towns, Salop

1901 Census  RG13/2553 /167/2
Burlton, Loppington, Wem
Edward Jones 1848 (53) Worker   Born Hopton, Salop   (is this a 1901 error for Ruyton?)
Jane Jones 1845 (56) Born Worthen, Salop

1895    Marriage Certificate  William  Edward Jones and Amy Williams.   Father: Edward Jones. Occupation Labourer.


1891 – not found yet

1881 census
Cross Keys, Loppington
Edward Jones 1845 (36) Farm Labourer. Born Oswestry, Shropshire
Jane Jones 1843 (38)  Born Worthen, Shropshire
Jane Jones 1871 (10) Born Loppington
William Jones 1874 (7) Born Loppington  (My great grandfather)

1871 census    RG10 /2793/36 /8
Wood, Burlton
Edward Jones 1845 (26) Agricultural Labourer. Born Ruyton XI Towns, Shropshire
Jane Jones 1843 (28) Born Worthen, Shropshire
Mary Jones 1871 (0) Born Burlton, Shropshire


1861 census  RG09/1875/105/8
Lady Hill, West Felton Shropshire
Richard Jones 1816  (45) Agricultural labourer    Born Ruyton XI towns
Jane Jones 1818 (43)    Born Baschurch
Edward Jones 1844 (17)     Carter          Born Baschurch
Rebecca Jones 1855 (11) Born Felton, Shropshire
George 1853 (8) Born Felton, Shropshire
Charles 1855 (6) Born Felton, Shropshire
Hariot 1859 (2) Born Felton, Shropshire


1851 census HO107/1993/48/10
Arange Grove?  West Felton Shropshire
Richard Jones 1817 (34)  Sawyer    Born Ruyton XI towns
Jane Jones 1819 (32) Born Baschurch
John Jones 1846 (6) Born Baschurch
Edward Jones 1846 (6) Born Baschurch
Emma Jones 1847 (4) Born  West Felton
Rebecca Jones 1850 (1) Born Oswestry
Martha Owen 1838  (13) Niece. Born Baschurch
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Re: Help with some elusive Jones ancestors please
« Reply #5 on: Friday 04 May 12 18:06 BST (UK) »
Looks like a good job done to me

1891
Burlton Loppington Salop
Edward Jones head M 46 Farm Lab Royton XI Townes
Jane wife 47 Worthen
RG12 2123 101 3

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Re: Help with some elusive Jones ancestors please
« Reply #6 on: Friday 04 May 12 18:43 BST (UK) »
Genuki is a good source for most things including distances between parishes

http://www.genuki.org.uk/cgi-bin/nearby?CCC=SAL,GRIDREF=SJ394221,DISTANCE=5,PN=Ruyton of the Eleven Towns

It gives Burlton as in the parish of Loppington

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/SAL/Loppington/index.html

Do you have the marriage cert to Jane to confirm father's name?
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Help with some elusive Jones ancestors please
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 05 May 12 07:51 BST (UK) »
Thanks Suzard and Osprey. I don't know how I missed that 1891 entry but cheers for finding it.

Osprey - no I haven't ordered a birth certificate yet, there are several potenttial candidates and I'd like to try and narrow the odds down a bit first.

Regards

Mike
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Re: Help with some elusive Jones ancestors please (CLOSED - MANY THANKS )
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 26 April 15 09:22 BST (UK) »
I now know that Richard and Jane Jones are, unfortunately, not my family. Their son Edward, who I believed to be my 3xgreat grandfather turns up on later censuses

RG number: RG11
Piece: 2628 
Folio: 47
Page: 21   


Edward Jones, Farm Labourer  37  born 1844   Baschurch, Shropshire
Hannah Jones, Wife 40  born 1841   Ellesmere, Shropshire
Richard Jones, Son Single  Farm Labourer  16  born 1865 Ellesmere, Shropshire
(Richard, of course, is the same name as Baschurch Edward's father)


I'm posting this and calling this enquiry closed, just to avoid confusion in later searches.
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