Adams/Keane/Stein of Limerick

[patmar]

Not too long ago I discovered my grandmother was a Matilda Adams born to a William John and Mary Jane Adams at Crosbie Row Limerick City in 1885.

William and Mary Jane were married in 1878

Mary Jane lived at Ever Green Villa, Circular Road and was the daughter of Edward Keane, Grocer

William John Adams lived at Church Street and his father was given as John Stein, Gentleman. Son as an Adams and Stein as his father opened up a real mystery and where to start to solve that isnt easy to figure out.

The marriage in 1878 was at St Munchians which is COI I understand.

 Where William and Mary Jane lived after marriage  in 1878 I do not know but do know they lived at 27 Blackboy according to 1901 Census. By 1911 census the family had moved to Inchicore Dublin. William was a coach painter in Limerick and the same in railway works in Dublin

Have the idea of heading to Limerick for look around and wondering if Blackboy, Crosbie Row, Church Street and Circular Road still exist in Limerick.

The Adams/Stein mystery could do with some help and if particulary the name Stein resonates with anyone I would be grateful for any info they have

[shanew147]

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Have the idea of heading to Limerick for look around and wondering if Blackboy, Crosbie Row, Church Street and Circular Road still exist in Limerick.
...

Blackboy Road is to the south east of Limerick city
in the civil parish of St. Laurence. It marked on current maps
as Blackboy Rd., and on the 1st edition OSI map as Blackboy turnpike.

    Blackboy (c1890 OSI Map)

Google maps :

    Crosbie Row  ('A' marker)

    Two possibilities for Church Street and Circular Rd.:

    Church Street (1)    (close to Crosbie Row)

    Church Street (2)

    Circular Rd. (North)

    Circular Rd. (South)


Shane

[taramcdsmall]

Hi there

Obviously Stein is a fairly rare name in Ireland and on the 1901 census there were only 2 'families' of Stein in Limerick, one being a Jewish family which I presume we can rule out and the other a single man called Robert Stein, COI, born 1868 Limerick.

I have found his baptism:

Robert Henry Croker Stein
23 May 1868
Limerick 2 St Munchins, City Limerick, Ireland (Same church that William (Adams) got married in
Parents John Stein & Maria Croker

In 1901 Robert Stein is living at South Circular Road (an address that you mentioned I think)

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Limerick/Dock_Limerick_Urban_No__4/South_Circular_Road/1502199/

In 1911 he was in Waterford

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Waterford/Waterford_No__4_Urban__part_of_/Newtown_Road_Lower/670747/

This could all be coincidental but may be worth following up.

There may have been a falling out in the family and William changed his surname ?

There was a Frederick Croker Stein born to this couple in 1867 and a Croker Stein abt 1861

This is them in 1901

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Ushers_Quay/Thomas_Street/1303322/

Frederick in 1911

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Usher_s_Quay/Thomas_St_/71377/

John Stein and Maria Croker's marriage is on the attached

http://members.iinet.net.au/~nickred/newspaper/np_abst16.htm

They married in 1860 which would be a good timeline for William to have been born in abt 1862 ??

Tara

[taramcdsmall]

Just in case it turns out to be the correct family (although you may have a long way to go yet) I am just attaching this death notice in 1903 of another son of John Stein ie a John Croker Stein - seemingly John Stein 'Gentleman' had a distillery.

http://www.limerickcity.ie/media/stein,%20john%20croaker%20dn.pdf

Tara

[taramcdsmall]

Ok it looks like John Stein's wife ie Maria Croker Stein died young in 1868 aged 26

http://www.limerickcity.ie/Library/LocalStudies/ObituariesdeathnoticesetcfromtheLimerickChronicle/1868/

maybe this might explain the change of William's surname - maybe he was reared by someone else ?

Tara

[taramcdsmall]

There is a mention of the distillery here !

http://www.whiskymerchants.co.uk/#/irish-closed-distillerys/4532383788

Tara

[patmar]

Thanks a lot Shanew and Tara..
Lot to digest in what info both of you have given me

Mother dying when John Stein was only 6 years old and "adopted" by a family called Adams makes sense but has to be proven.

Think I have my work cut out on this

[taramcdsmall]

Hi Patmar

There is a LOT online about the Stein & Brown Distillery including a lot of organisations detailling the waterways that the distillery's used.

It might be worth contacting them to see if there is some sort of a bibliography for John Stein. One site suggested that there MIGHT be a connection from the Stein distilling family in Limerick and a 'famous' Stein distilling family in Scotland.

Best of luck

Tara

[patmar]

Family Tree as so many know can be daunting exercise and my late mother left us with some almost bizarre mysteries and the infamous brick wall was reached after a major breakthrough early 2013 at COI Library. Anyway, now back on the Limerick connection and asking if someone has a way of finding out about a William John Adams who lived at Church Street Limerick at date of marriage at St Munchians COI in 1878. He of course may have been a single person living there but equally may have been member of a family called Adams living there.
If anyone can help it would of course be appreciated.

Pat Monks