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Re: Sweethillock David Grant 1870
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 09 May 12 20:11 BST (UK) »
There's also a Sweethillock Farm near Alves in Moray.

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Re: Sweethillock David Grant 1870
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 09 May 12 20:35 BST (UK) »
Thanks, Jen. I thought there was a farm near Alves and near Drainie by the RAF hangars. This confirms it.

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Never trust anything you find online (especially submitted trees and transcriptions on Ancestry, MyHeritage, FindMyPast and other commercial web sites) unless it's an image of an original document - and even then be wary because errors can and do occur.

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Re: Sweethillock David Grant 1870
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 10 May 12 08:02 BST (UK) »
Appears Miss Lamb's children went by their father's surname and not the name they were registered with at birth.

This is normal practice.

An illegitimate birth can only be registered in the father's name if he accompanies the mother to the registrar's office and signs the certificate at the same time as she does.

A corrected entry can be made if the father's name is determined in a court case for paternity.

However even if the child is not registered in its father's name, everyone in the parish probably knows who the father was, and the child will turn up in the census etc under its father's name.

The important thing to know is the parish[/b] where something occurred. The county is useful, but as you have found there can be places with the same names in different parishes, and even, occasionally, there could be more than one in the same parish.

It is possible that the kirk session might have taken an interest in Miss Lamb's pregnancies, in which case there may be some record in the minutes, if they have survived. If so, they would be in the National Archives of Scotland, but they are not available online.

It's also possible that the parochial board records might have some record, if she applied to the parish for relief. These records, if they have survived, will be in the Aberdeen City Archives, and there will be a microfilm copy in the Moray Local Heritage Centre in Elgin. Try http://libindx.moray.gov.uk/mainmenu.asp - you never know.
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Re: Sweethillock David Grant 1870
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 10 May 12 15:40 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the photos of Pittendreich(s). As you have discovered, Pittendreich is where Margaret Lamb lived and worked prior to the birth of Richard (Lamb) Grant in 1870. Likely, the relevant Pittendreich was the one located south-west of Elgin on Pluscarden Rd.

Do you have any information on the origin of the name Pittendreich  - the spelling suggests German roots?

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Re: Sweethillock David Grant 1870
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 10 May 12 17:36 BST (UK) »
Nothing German about it.

'Pit' is a common start to a place name in eastern Scotland. It's from a Pictish word describing a unit of land.

'Dreich' is a perfectly respectable Scots word describing dull wet miserable weather, but I don't think that is anything to do with this place name. It doesn't occur in German.

According to the web site of the Scottish Place Name Society www.spns.org.uk Pittendreich  is derived from 'Pet-an-druach' meaning 'portion of the druid' (priest). It says,  "Though it is the most common of all Pit- names, Pittendreich has only eleven occurrences. Four of them are close to Culdee churches: Brechin, Loch Leven, Monymusk and St Andrews. Four of the rest are within a few miles of sites that, according to Easson, are arguably linked to the Culdees: Turriff, Deer, Blairgowrie, and Dunblane. The three awkward cases are the Pittendreichs near Lundie, Edinburgh and Elgin. In this note I will try to link those at Lundie and Edinburgh to the early church. I have no link for Pittendreich Elgin as yet."
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Re: Sweethillock David Grant 1870
« Reply #15 on: Friday 11 May 12 06:01 BST (UK) »
Just read your historical review of the origin of the place name, Pittendreich fascinating- again, my thanks,

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Re: Sweethillock David Grant 1870
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 26 February 15 13:32 GMT (UK) »
There's also a Sweethillock Farm near Alves in Moray.

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Jen
Just discovered that the mother of the British Prime Minister, Ramsay MacDonald, Ann Ramsay lived at this Sweethillock in Alves in 1861 (through Ancestry). My gg-grandfather, David Grant lived at the other Sweethillock in Drainie.

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Re: Sweethillock David Grant 1870
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 26 February 15 13:40 GMT (UK) »
the mother of the British Prime Minister, Ramsay MacDonald, Ann Ramsay lived at this Sweethillock in Alves in 1861 (through Ancestry)

And on the much more reliable FreeCEN http://www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
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