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Help please - brick wall
« on: Thursday 17 May 12 13:38 BST (UK) »
Hello

Does anyone have any bright ideas finding a birth in about 1690-1700?

I have checked OPC, IGI and even checked the parish records at lunchtime.  I know he existed because I have a wedding & even a death for him.  I have no reason to think his family were non conformist and obviously without his baptism I can't find his father.  Has anyone else had the same problem and solved it?

Del
Latham - Leigh, Rivington
Hupton - Staffordshire, Tyldesley, Atherton, Leigh
Meredith - Cefn Mawr, Tyldesley, Atherton
Strange - Westleigh
Wright - Pennington
Cawley & Hough & Hulse - Runcorn, Crewe
Bainbridge - Staffordshire & Durham
Peel - Upholland & St Helens
Hurst - Leigh
Duffy - Ireland
Poulton - Wales

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Re: Help please - brick wall
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 17 May 12 15:32 BST (UK) »
I've had this problem.  If the child wasn't baptised, there doesn't seem to be a record of them.  Apparently all the children in one family were baptised apart from my 2 x g.grandfather and that was in 1834.  I've seen for myself the parish records and searched backwards and forwards in case I'd missed the entry, but it's not there.  The supposition is that my 2 x g.grandfather was probably the illegitimate son of the eldest daughter who died in 1837, but who knows?

My guess is if there is no baptism record (and you are sure they were not non conformists) then the child may have been illegitimate.  Were siblings baptised?  If you can't find any at all, it could be that they were baptised in a different village.

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Re: Help please - brick wall
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 17 May 12 15:42 BST (UK) »
Thanks Lizzie

Funny you should say that, as I can't find any others either and I can't find a marriage for likely parents.  Well, looks like my next search is all areas around and about.  But everything tells me they were in the same area for generations.  I have them going back to 1500's except for this one/two generations.  As it is an unusual name I can be quite positive they are all related.  Never mind I will keep on searching.

Many thanks

Del
Latham - Leigh, Rivington
Hupton - Staffordshire, Tyldesley, Atherton, Leigh
Meredith - Cefn Mawr, Tyldesley, Atherton
Strange - Westleigh
Wright - Pennington
Cawley & Hough & Hulse - Runcorn, Crewe
Bainbridge - Staffordshire & Durham
Peel - Upholland & St Helens
Hurst - Leigh
Duffy - Ireland
Poulton - Wales

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Re: Help please - brick wall
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 17 May 12 18:57 BST (UK) »
Del,
Care to share some names and what you have??

John
HOOD- STAFFORDSHIRE/LONDON/AUSTRALIA
WALKER-LONDON
HIGGS-LONDON
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Re: Help please - brick wall
« Reply #4 on: Friday 18 May 12 10:51 BST (UK) »
Hello John

Christopher Strange born 1690's?  Married 1716 to Mary Green and died 1737.  I am trying to find his father and mother.  They lived in township of Westleigh, Leigh, Lancs.  As I said I have looked on OPC, IGI and looked at the parish records but I can't find a birth.  Any help much appreciated.

Del
Latham - Leigh, Rivington
Hupton - Staffordshire, Tyldesley, Atherton, Leigh
Meredith - Cefn Mawr, Tyldesley, Atherton
Strange - Westleigh
Wright - Pennington
Cawley & Hough & Hulse - Runcorn, Crewe
Bainbridge - Staffordshire & Durham
Peel - Upholland & St Helens
Hurst - Leigh
Duffy - Ireland
Poulton - Wales

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Re: Help please - brick wall
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 22 May 12 02:31 BST (UK) »
Have you checked both PR's and BT's? I am unfamiliar with Lancashire towns and villages, but what sort of place was/is Westleigh? If it was a small village, it is possible that children may have not been baptised at all, or at a later date, if there was an "absent" minister. Have you checked in and around his marriage date?
One last thought, given the era, I would be checking further back than 1690ish for a baptism.
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Re: Help please - brick wall
« Reply #6 on: Monday 28 May 12 11:49 BST (UK) »
Hi Pinefamily

Tried PRs but not BTs.  I will check that one out, although they are usually recorded on OPCs.  You may be right, he just wasn't baptized or the records could be missing.  Westleigh was an area within Leigh and at that time all BMDs were usually, not always, conducted in our parish church, which still stands today and I pass every day.  I have checked the surrounding areas too but to no avail.  Never mind I shall carry on looking.  Tantalizingly a will for another Christopher Strange, Westleigh, which could possibly be his father is missing from the Lancashire record office.  That could have answered a few questions!

Del
Latham - Leigh, Rivington
Hupton - Staffordshire, Tyldesley, Atherton, Leigh
Meredith - Cefn Mawr, Tyldesley, Atherton
Strange - Westleigh
Wright - Pennington
Cawley & Hough & Hulse - Runcorn, Crewe
Bainbridge - Staffordshire & Durham
Peel - Upholland & St Helens
Hurst - Leigh
Duffy - Ireland
Poulton - Wales

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Re: Help please - brick wall re Christopher Strange
« Reply #7 on: Monday 05 March 18 04:20 GMT (UK) »
Hi Guys
Don't know how long ago your posts were but I have a Christopher Strange born 1690 married to Mary Green - I have many descendants right up to the Hindleys which are connected to my family
As you say the ancestors of Christopher are missing
Strange by name strange by nature!!
Am looking for any documents that may be around to confirm my research so far
please contact if you can assist or require info regarding this Strange problem
Manu
Lee Richards Rose Cronshaw Hindley Cook Chester