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Offline mofid42

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Re: An Impossible Puzzle!
« Reply #9 on: Monday 21 May 12 16:44 BST (UK) »
Thanks, thats what I thought too.

I looked at the other marriage entries on Ancestry in either direction of Agnes's marriage written by the same person to see if I could make some sence of it but nothing helped as the persons writing is not very consistant
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« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 22 May 12 17:16 BST (UK) »
There is a death for an Agnes M POPPLE in Welshpool in 1959 (in fact the only Agnes M) - year of birth estimated as 1873, which would tie in with the sighting of Agnes M BOWGETT on the 1901 census in Maidenhead.

Also a Harry POPPLE death in Maidenhead in 1956.
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Re: An Impossible Puzzle!
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 22 May 12 17:29 BST (UK) »
Hi Harry W

Thanks for taking the time to check for me

I have the death of Harry Popple in 1956....the year of birth on the entry  fits with his year of birth so I think it must be the right one.

I did see the death of Agnes M Popple in Welshpool in 1959 and wondered about it but wasn't sure as the only example I have of her age didn't fit at all. However I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that Agnes may have seriousy lied about her age!
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Re: An Impossible Puzzle!
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 22 May 12 22:45 BST (UK) »
Seems to tie together doesn't it?  The 1901 entry age 27 - esp the birthplace not known - the age at marriage being perhaps 46 and the death all leading to birth year c1873.   

I wonder if she stayed long at the same address.  The 1901 looks like 27 Moffett Street and there seem to be four people at number 27 but each in a single room bar the mother and son sharing.

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« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 22 May 12 23:12 BST (UK) »
I thought it was all beginning to fit together until I had a look at the 1911 census and found an Agnes Popple in Welshpool a widow with several children!  She must be the one that died in 1959 as the age fits....back to the drawing board

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Re: An Impossible Puzzle!
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 23 May 12 09:15 BST (UK) »
Oh noooooooo that can't be her then.  I wondered what she was doing in Welshpool (not that I know where that is!)

Only other thing, which I think you've tried, is to see if she appears on passenger lists anywhere  :-\

What was her husbands occupation* when they married, would he maybe show up in any trade directories or similar?

*Oh just looked and labourer which doesn't help.
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« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 23 May 12 09:46 BST (UK) »
I wonder whether you could use electoral rolls to help with your search ?

Not sure what is available, an enquiry to the Berkshire Records Office may help.
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« Reply #16 on: Thursday 24 May 12 11:11 BST (UK) »
[quote author=mofid42 link=topic=598909.msg4486839#msg4486839 date=1337603284

There is a death of a Thomas Paget in WW1 on the GRO war deaths on FindMyPast but his name isn't on the CWGC website. If the two marriages are for the same Agnes it seems a bit strange she should marry for the second time using her maiden name if
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Yes, occasionally there are instances where deaths had not been reported to the CWGC but the inability to find someone on the CWGC database does not necessarily mean that they are not recorded there.  There is usually a simple explanation.  In this case, however, the explanation is not so simple.  The Thomas Paget I think you are referring to was actually Thomas Pannett, alias Thomas Paget or Thomas Peters.  He is on CWGC under Pannett.  It's bit more complicated than that but you get the picture!
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« Reply #17 on: Sunday 15 March 15 19:43 GMT (UK) »
Hi

Did you have any luck with Agnes M Bowgett?  I think she is my GG Granddads sister and living with her unmarried mother in about 1871.