Francis Mc Carney --Tyrone,Ireland

[Spw]

I'm looking for Francis Mc Carney mother's maiden name.
I did send order the Civil Marriage Record Parish of Doncavey Fintona RC Ch.
But it has only Francis father name & only Anne father name
don't know where to look next.
This is what I have on Francis & Wife Anne Donnelly
Francis Birth March 17, 1851 Of Laca Tyrone, Ireland
Marriage to Anne Donnelly February 9, 1869 Fintona RC Church Omagh District, Tyrone
Francis died  October 2, 1897 --
       don't know where Francis died
Francis Father's name Michael Mc Carney
Don't know of any brothers or Sisters
Anne Donnelly Christening December 6, 1846
Anne Donnelly death Jan-Mar 1909 Tyrone, Ireland
They had 8 Children Michael, Mary Anne, Catharine A., Francis, Rose, Patrick, Elizabeth Bridget All born in Tyrone Ire.
Residence in February 9, 1869 Killaberry
Residence in 1906 was Dromore Tyrone Ireland
Occupation Farm Servant
Occupation for Anne was Farmers Daughter
Info from Census 1870, 1901, Ireland birth 1620-1881,Civil Registration Indexes 1845-1958, & Civil married record.
I hope this help's & to find some one else who is working on Mc Carney family too
spw

[Elwyn Soutter]

Irish marriage certificates don’t record mothers names.

Francis’ birth was before the start of civil registration of births (1864) so you won’t get his mother’s name from that source. The usual alternative is to look for his baptism. Unfortunately you won’t find that either as the Donacloney RC baptisms only start in 1857. It might just be worth checking the register all the same, in case he had younger siblings born after 1857, who are listed. A copy is held in PRONI.

Was Anne Donnelly’s family also from Lackagh? (The civil marriage cert should list her townland at the time of the marriage). I note you describe her occupation as a farmer’s daughter. If so, Griffiths Valuation has 3 Donnelly households there in 1860, headed by Michael, Arthur and Hannah (plots 3, 6 & 7 respectively). Hannah was possibly a widow.

http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml

There’s 2 wills in PRONI for Donnelly from Lackagh:

Full Abstract :
Administration (with the Will) of the Estate of Owen Donnelly late of Lackagh County Tyrone Farmer who died 2 March 1913 granted at Armagh to Catherine Donnelly Spinster.    Effects £131

Full Abstract :
Donnelly James of Lackagh Fintona county Tyrone farmer died 27 June 1941 Administration W/A Londonderry 24 February to Alice Donnelly the widow. Effects £129 8s.

I also noted this will:

Full Abstract :
McCarney Francis of Lacca Fintona county Tyrone farmer died 2 February 1934 Probate Londonderry 8 August to Bernard Donnelly farmer. Effects £284 13s. 3d.

You can read Owen’s will on-line. For James’ & Francis you would need to get a copy from PRONI as those years have not been put on line yet.

http://applications.proni.gov.uk/DCAL_PRONI_WillsCalendar/willsSearchResultsDetails.aspx

There were no McCarney households in Lackagh/Lacca in Griffiths in 1857. However Michael McCarney is listed in Killyberry for that year. He was renting a farmhouse, offices (outbuildings) and 14 acres of land (plot 6). Immediately beside him was James McCarney on plot 7, who had a house, offices and 11 acres. Also together with Peter McCosker, they shared 49 acres of mountain in the same townland. Michael & James might be brothers.

Can’t see any wills listed for McCarney from Killyberry.

Two McCarney households in Killyberry in the 1901 census:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/Tattymoyle/Killyberry/1743970/

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/Tattymoyle/Killyberry/1743971/

Likewise 2 Donnelly families in Lackagh in 1901:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/Draughton/Lackagh/1743073/

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/Draughton/Lackagh/1743075/

I don’t think your information that Francis died in 1897 can be correct. I think he died in 1934. Francis & Anne in 1901:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/Draughton/Lackagh/1743066/

Francis in 1911:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tyrone/Draughton/Lackagh/871738/

A death cert for 1934 in NI won't be on-line and you would need to apply to GRONI for a copy.

[Spw]

Hi
Thank you for reply back & info.
I didn'know the married certificate don't have the mother name on them.
I was hoping!
I have never used PRONI what info will I need to get a copy?
How will I know if that's his brother. Well it have his father name on them?

On Anne Donnelly Civil Marriage Record the address was Lacca, County Tyrone.
Plus the 2nd witness was Anne Donnelly. Any ideas who that could be?
The first witness was Thomas Campbell. I have NO idea who that is.

This one you found looked good. I think you found it
McCarney Francis of Lacca Fintona County Tyrone farmer died 2 February 1934.
All they children were born in Fintona & married in Fintona too.

I think you are right about Francis drying in 1934 not 1879 too.
How do I get a copy from GRONI, What's the cost?

Thanks again,
spw

[Elwyn Soutter]

For PRONI, the Donacavey RC records are on microfilm MIC1D/14. That’s all you need to know if you are going in person. The microfilms are in self service drawers in the main reception room. The staff will show you how to access them. (Take photo id to get a readers ticket). Typically RC baptisms at that time will have the parents names and two sponsors. So you are looking for baptisms to Michael McCarney (possibly of Lackagh) and A. N. Other. RC baptisms at that time didn’t contain much more information than that.

Can’t say who the witness Anne Donnelly was but typically it’d be a close relation such as a cousin. Can’t really be a sister for obvious reasons, and unusual for it to be the mother.

A cert from GRONI with an exact date and place of birth should be £14 but you would need to confirm that with them. You should be able to order on-line:

http://www.nidirect.gov.uk/gro

[Spw]

Hi
I wish I could go & love to go but I'm in USA.
That's why I was trying to find a way to order it & asking how much it would be.
Like you said, PRONI years starts 1864 & Francis was born 1851so I can't use them.
Is there an one else?
I think you are right about Michael McCarney households in Lackagh/Lacca farm house.
That's what is listed on the Marriage record for Ann Donnelly
Is Lackagh/Lacca the same place or next to each other?
Are you in Ireland?
Thank you
spw

[littleletty]

Hey,

I am a McCarney, Just a little tip when your looking up the Griffiths Valuation of Ireland.
Most of the McCarney's are down as McKearney.

My Great Great Grand Father was John McCarney from Lislane. This townland is in the Clogher Parish.
In the Griffiths Valuation of Ireland he is down a John McKearney, there is also a Michael McKearney in Lislane.

However in the 1901/11 Census my family are the only McCarney's in Lislane

[Spw]

Hi
Thank you - Thank you,
I will try that tip.
I hate to hit a died end on the Mc Carney,
I wish I could find an other way to find Francis Mother name so I could go on.
or some one else that's working on the Mc Carney family.
I though mom was going to be on the Civil Marriage Record.   
It would be nice to find some more info on the children
Patrick, Eliza Jane Sarah, Rose, Bridget and I could the mother name that way. 
Thanks again,
spw

[littleletty]

My family still live in the area, when im next home (live now in england) Ill ask round for you to see if any of the names ring a bell etc.

maybe you can private message me your email address.

[littleletty]

looked up the Ireland, Catholic Parish Baptisms, 1742-1881 records for you

I found 3 people born to a Michael McCarney, however no Francis, Please note somes names are in Latin

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The townland lacca/lackagh is not far from townlands in the Clogher parish.