Hi Colin
I’m always pleased when I can help fellow genealogists. I didn’t mention details about John Lamb’s parentage as I thought that I would start with information that I’m fairly confident about. I’m fairly certain that the John Lamb who married Ann Threlfall was the son of Richard Lamb and Margaret Jolleys rather than the son of John Lamb and Elizabeth Towers. I’m still missing a burial record for John Lamb to substantiate my death certificate information though.
From the 1841 census his date of birth is about 1801 and the IGI had a full family tree with all of John Lamb and Elizabeth Tower’s children, including their youngest son John Lamb baptised in 1801 at Cockerham. So it’s natural to assume that must be that John Lamb. However I knew both John and Ann Lamb died before the 1851 census and I just couldn’t find a death Index for a John Lamb born in or around 1801 who died before 1851 that was not an infant. I also had census data for a John Lamb and Mary Lamb who were living in Thurnham, this John being about the same age as the other John, but I had no idea of how they were connected to other Lambs from that area.
After finding a burial record for Elizabeth Towers it implied that Elizabeth resided in Thurnham before her death and it made me think that perhaps the John Lamb from Thurnham might be her son rather than the John Lamb from Marsh, Cockerham.
I also found a MI transcription for John and Mary who were buried at Christchurch Glasson; this gives a date of birth for the Thurnham John as 1801.
I had a three possible death indexes for adult John Lambs in the Ellel area who died before 1851 and sent for the one that seemed the most likely and found that I had got one for a John Lamb born about 1799 and died at Marsh, Cockerham, his occupation being a farmer. Then I found a baptism record for a John Lamb from Cockerham for a baptism on 2 Jan 1799, the son of Richard Lamb.
So, in Summary I think that the Cockerham John Lamb is the son of Richard Lamb and Margaret Jolleys, he was born about 1799 in Cockerham and was a farmer living in Marsh Cockerham and the other John Lamb married to Mary is the son of John Lamb and Elizabeth Towers, was born in 1801, lived at Thurnham and was a Dock Labourer.
I’ve put the transcriptions of the relevant records as another reply as my message exceeds the number of characters allowed if posted as one message
I think both John Lambs are related, being second cousins. There are a few trees on Roots web that have this Branch of the Lambs going back a few generations. I think these trees are based on IGI records.
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.comThe connection is:-
John Lamb’s father, Richard Lamb was baptised at St Michaels Cockerham”Richard son of John Lamb of Cockerham on 17 Feb 1759”
Richard married Margaret Jolleys 19 Nov 1782 at St Michaels Cockerham
Richard’s Father John Lamb was born about 1720 Cockerham
(IGI record Batch No.: P007282 Father JOHN LAMBE Christening: 17 JAN 1720 Cockerham)
John Lamb married Mary Charnock 20 Jan 1749 St Michaels Cockerham
John Lamb’s father, Thomas Lamb born about 1691 and married Ann Clark 25 May 1714 Cockerham
Another son of Thomas Lamb and Ann Clark is Thomas Lamb born about 1722
Thomas Lamb married Ellen Escolme on 18th June 1747 at St Michaels Cockerham and one of their sons was the John Lamb born 1758 who married Elizabeth Towers
If you want details about Ann Threlfall and her relatives, there is a tree published on the web, with the information consistent (and found independently) with my tree.
http://www.wardjc.com/people/p00000g7.htmI haven’t any photographs of any of my ancestors other than my grandmother as an elderly lady. I found some photographs of the Raby’s on the website of the Fleetwood Maritime museum. Unfortunately they redesigned the website and took all the photos off but I imagine they are still held at the museum. These are of Dick Raby, fisherman and lighthouse keeper with his sister Janet at the two Cockersands lighthouses, 1950s. Source: © Robert Parkinson. Lancaster Maritime Museum (Lancaster City Museums). Dick Raby was the son of Richard Raby and Jane Lamb, who was the daughter of Richard Lamb and Jane Hardman.
Although my family lived in Cockerham in the early Victorian era, branches of the family moved out of Cockerham to the industrial towns in the 1870’s and 1880’s. My branch moved to Padiham near Burnley and one branch of the Threlfall’s moved to Morecambe and became fishermen.
Please let me know if there’s any other information you might have trouble finding in case I have something somewhere. I have stacks of A6 notebooks with parish records written down in pencil from my frequent trips to the record office at Preston.
Best wishes
Maggy
