Thomas Smeall and Lilias Mackay

[mixedupmob]

Hi

Just wondering if anyone else is researching the above family - Thomas' surname  could be spelt Smail or Smeaill or other variant and Lilias has also been recorded as Lillie Mackie.

They were married 7 May 1802 Aberdour, Fife, Scotland and their first three children were born in Dunfermline and fourth in Kirkcaldy.

I am particularly interested in Thomas' occupation as well as when and where he and Lillie died.

All I have been able to find so far is their children - James b. 1803; John b. 1804; Robert b. 1809 and Lilias b. 1816.

Any help greatly appreciated.

[Sharon01]

Hi,

This seems to be them in 1851 living  Capes Hard, Kirkcaldy.

Thomas Smaill 73 head game keeper born Edinburgh
Lillias Mackie 74 wife born Dunfermline, fifeshire
Thomas Smaill 14 grandson born Kirkcaldy, fifeshire

Sharon

[Sharon01]

I can not see deaths for them on SP or find them in 1841.

There are a couple of possible births for Thomas on SP for Edinburgh

Sharon

[mixedupmob]

Thanks for that Sharon. Every little bit helps me put this family together.

[Janet Mc]

I too am part of this family and am a descendent of their son, Robert Smails (we have lots on him). For more than 2 years he was a dead end and we are thrilled to now be back one more generation with his parents. I think Lilias Mackie was born 8 Feb 1777 Dunfermline (bapt 16th) to parents John Mackie and Lilias Henderson married 2 April 1774 Dunfermline.

Please keep sharing the information you have.

[Janet Mc]

Were Thomas or Lilias still alive in 1861 census?

What about 1841 census details?

Lilias' parents seem to have been John Mackie and Lilias Henderson of Dunfermline. Were they in the 1841 census or 1851?

[meanmarie]

I too am part of this family and am a descendent of their son, Robert Smails (we have lots on him). For more than 2 years he was a dead end and we are thrilled to now be back one more generation with his parents. I think Lilias Mackie was born 8 Feb 1777 Dunfermline (bapt 16th) to parents John Mackie and Lilias Henderson married 2 April 1774 Dunfermline.

Please keep sharing the information you have.

I am a descendent of Robert Smails and Lillie Mackie's son Thomas who lived in New South Wales.  I have quite a bit on the Australian connection.  Have only just discovered Robert and Lillie.  Have been trying to find Roberts immigration to Tasmania.   Also Robert and Lillie's Marriage in Scotland.
Saw a post that marriage was May 7, 1802 in Fife, Scotland but am looking for documentation.
Maybe we could help each other.
Jean

[meanmarie]

I am a descendent of Robert Smails and Lillie Mackie's son Thomas who lived in New South Wales.  I have quite a bit on the Australian connection.  Have only just discovered Robert and Lillie.  Have been trying to find Roberts immigration to Tasmania.   Also Robert and Lillie's Marriage in Scotland.
Saw a post that marriage was May 7, 1802 in Fife, Scotland but am looking for documentation.
Maybe we could help each other.
Jean

[Janet Mc]

The big breakthrough for us was the finding that Robert Smails went to gaol - we think for bankruptcy or not supporting his family. Good thing about a prison record is that it lists the ship he came out on and his home area - Fife.

Always worth checking the surnames of others on ship and I noted a family with surname of his wife (but not her). Worked to see if a family from Fife with those family members + a Margaret and found her. Not sure how to get you to contact me. Mixedupmob and I are in email contact and working together. The prison record has opened up the whole dead end that Robert Smails and Margaret Williamson were.
 Prison record: 1
Name:ROBERT SMAILS
Birth year: ABOUT 1810
Birth place: FIFESHIRE, SCOTLAND
Age: 51
Immigration Date: 1830
Vessel arrived in: DUNMORE
Date of admission: 12 APR 1861
Gaol: DARLINGHURST
Gaol location: DARLINGHURST, NEW SOUTH WALES
 
I have found that the Drummore left Leith in Scotland on 19 July 1830 and arrived in Hobart Town on 28 February 1831
 
Drummore (1831)
Departed Leith 19 Jul 1830 with 61 passengers arriving Hobart 28 Feb 1831.
Sources:
Nicholson, Ian Hawkins, Shipping Arrivals and Departures, Tasmania, 1803-1833, Roebuck, 1983, p181.
Newspaper report Colonial Times, Tuesday 01 Mar 1831, p2.
Passengers
KERR, Charles

(not a complete passenger listing)
Clicking on above link gives this:
Feb. 28. - The ship Drummore, Peter Petrie, Commander, from Leith 19th July, the Cape 20th Nov., Isle of France (Mauritius) 25th Dec., and Swan River, Western Australia 10th Feb., with a general cargo and
*298 tonne sailing ship carrying 5 guns

Passengers.
Mr. Chas. Kerr,
Mr. J. S. Turnbull,
Mr. James Crear (mentioned in article above), R.N., Mrs. Joan Crear and 4 children.
Mr John Fergusson,
Mr. Geo. Russell,
Mr. William Cleland,
Mr. William Ronaldson, Mrs. H. Ronaldson and child,
Helen Christison,
Mr. David Strany, (I wonder if this is Strang who married Janet/Jessie Williamson)
Mr. A. W. Ronaldson,
Mr. C. B. Viveash, Ellen Viveash, in the cabin , and
James McGregor, Janet McGregor, Alexander McGregor, James McGregor, Jean McGregor,Agnes McGregor,
Wm. Moyes,
John Miller,
Arch. Muir,
Wm. Clark,
Helen Sinclair,
Adolphus Seales,
Charles Fleming, Robert Fleming, Janet Fleming and child,
Ann Grant,
David Hood,
Helen Green,
R. W. Sincall, (I think this is our Robert Smail or Smeal)
Wm. Blackie,
Peter Clyne,
James Williamson, A. Williamson, Thos. Williamson, John   Williamson, Janet Williamson,
Rich. Jones, Ann Jones, Eliz. Jones, Lilla Jones, R. Jones, Edw. Jones, Ann Jones,
John Rose, Caroline Rose,
Rich. Hitchcock, Jane Hitchcock, Rich. Hitchcock,
Thos. Robinson,
John Pierce,
Antony De Mingo, in the steerage.  
Look at all the Williamson's -but no 'Margaret Jemima and no sign of our R Smails UNLESS R W Sincall (is some sort of typo!) It said that there were 61 passengers and they're all mentioned.
Another article has a different list BUT were these the people that got off in WA? http://members.iinet.net.au/~perthdps/shipping/drummore.htm