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Re: Family crests
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 14 June 12 11:46 BST (UK) »
If you are entitled to use the Arms of your ancestors that's a nice touch, but does entitlement to use pass down automatically?

Sorry if that sound pedantic as well, just interested.  ::)

Strictly no!  The entitlement passes down the male line through eldest sons.  It obviously is a bit more complicated than that.
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Re: Family crests
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 14 June 12 16:55 BST (UK) »
Quote from: Stephen J F Plowman
As a bit of an heraldic anorak/pedant I have only used Arms in my genealogical work that my ancestors were entitled to use.

To clarify a bit, when I produced a family tree I illustrated those branches, so entitled, with the appropriate Arms.  Unfortunately, my main “gateway ancestor” had sufficient uncles, nephews and the like to ensure she was not a heraldic heiress and so I have no right to use those Arms.
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Re: Family crests
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 14 June 12 19:11 BST (UK) »
It still leaves me wondering if some of these have been 'made up' by the promoters given as I have said the many variations for the same family name and the fact they have copyright stamped over them.

Allanby's, Thompson's and Pannett's of Leeds and Tadcaster.
Streeter's and Kent's of Croydon.
Cavalli's and Cascarini's of Wales and Italy

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Re: Family crests
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 14 June 12 19:29 BST (UK) »
Because there is no such thing in British & Western European heraldry as a generic Coat of Arms for a particular Surname there can be multiple Arms for the same Surname (I have examples at my website if you are interested).  Generally these heraldic "bucket shops" you find in the shopping mall or online pick the earliest example they can find and sell that.  They also tend to stretch the possible spellings of the name to maximise possible customers.  In my own case they use  Plouman, Plowman, Ploughman, Ploman, Plewman, Plemons, Plimon, Pleuman, Plemmons
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Re: Family crests
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 14 June 12 21:01 BST (UK) »
My own avatar, I designed myself.
I took the idea from a blazon of one John Garrad, whose line became extinct in the 1600s! ;D

I don't claim to be entitled to use these arms, and only use them on Rootschat!

Those frauds who advertise coats-of-arms come up with all sorts of wird and wonderful arms for my surname - but most of them are for Garrard, and that's not my line.
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Re: Family crests
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 14 October 12 10:27 BST (UK) »
was there an Appleby family crest or coat of arms
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Re: Family crests
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 14 October 12 10:30 BST (UK) »
No!

There is no such thing as a family crest/coat-of-arms! ;D

Arms were granted to a single individual, and these arms are ONLY passed on to his offspring.

In Scotland it is still illegal to use a coat-of-arms to which you have no entitlement! :o
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Re: Family crests
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 14 October 12 10:34 BST (UK) »
The crest used in a number of Appleby coats of arms is unsurprisingly a green apple with leaves.
Living in Berkshire from Northampton & Milton Keynes
DETAILS OF MY NAMES ARE IN SURNAME INTERESTS, LINK AT FOOT OF PAGE
Wilson, Higgs, Buswell, PARCELL, Matthews, TAMKIN, Seckington, Pates, Coupland, Webb, Arthur, MAYNARD, Caves, Norman, Winch, Culverhouse, Drakeley.
Johnson, Routledge, SHIRT, SAICH, Mills, SAUNDERS, EDLIN, Perry, Vickers, Pakeman, Griffiths, Marston, Turner, Child, Sheen, Gray, Woolhouse, Stevens, Batchelor
Census Info is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: Family crests
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 14 October 12 12:26 BST (UK) »
The one we were wondering about was Allenby rather that Appleby - although apples and leaves does sound rather good!
Allanby's, Thompson's and Pannett's of Leeds and Tadcaster.
Streeter's and Kent's of Croydon.
Cavalli's and Cascarini's of Wales and Italy