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Silvanus Pike ca 1790 - 1878
« on: Saturday 16 June 12 14:09 BST (UK) »
I am looking for information on Silvanus Pike who I believe may have been married to Ann Doe.  I have Silvanus on the 1861 and 1871 census (born Brimpton, Berkshire) and I have his death certificate but other than that can find no trace of his parentage.   Silvanus was my 4th great grandfather so I would be very grateful for any help in tracing this line
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Emma

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Re: Silvanus Pike ca 1790 - 1878
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 16 June 12 16:03 BST (UK) »
Try searching Hampshire too. 1871 census shows Hants, not Berkshire as the county.
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Re: Silvanus Pike ca 1790 - 1878
« Reply #2 on: Monday 18 June 12 06:32 BST (UK) »
Hi Emma

Something to ponder...

The 1861 census (aged 69y) suggests he was b. abt. 1792.

Source, Family Search:
30 Jun 1815 Septura d. of Sylvanus Pike & Ann Doe, Hungerford, Berks., bap.
They were baptising children up to 1829 in Hungerford, then, possibly moved to Hampshire:
29 Mar 1835 Rebecca d. of Sylvanus Pike & Ann Doe, Hurstbourne Tarrant, Hants., bap.

Source, IGI (extracted record):
12 Aug 1809 Thomas Hetchener & Ann Doe, Finchampstead, mar.

Source, IGI (submitted record):
20 Sept 1817 Thomas Wigmore & Ann Doe, Bucklebury, mar.
IGI (no source info):
4 March 1789 Anne Doe d. of William Doe & Mary, Blewbury, Berks., (now Oxford.), bap. (a hotbed of Doe's in the PR's)
IGI (extracted record):
Oct 1797 Ann Doe d. of William Doe & Hannah, Padworth, bap.

Sylvanus is a real mystery, the census returns suggest he was b. in Berks., but looks as though was living in Hants. after 1829.
Ann Doe isn't easy to pin down either, not short on leads, but difficult to associate with Sylvanus in marriage, apart from the children.

Hope there maybe something that clicks.

Regards
Geoff
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Re: Silvanus Pike ca 1790 - 1878
« Reply #3 on: Monday 18 June 12 07:52 BST (UK) »
HI Emma

further to Geoff's reply;

Nothing found in the BFHS Berkshire marriage index v1  & nothing found in the HGS 1754- 1837 Hampshire marriage index but from the HGS 1813-1841 Baptism Index

4 Nov 1821 Ringwood, Hants Louisa Pike d/o Selvania & Ann

29 Mar 1835 Hurstbourne Tarrent: Rebecca Pike d/o Silvanus & Ann: Born in Parish of Speen - Travellers

If they did formally marry then it could be it was in Wiltshire
Carter - Berkshire, Oxfordshire, Leicester, Surrey
Povey - Berkshire, Sussex, Glamorgan, U.S.A.
Havell - Berkshire, Oxfordshire, Canada, Argentina
Hunt Berkshire
Franklin Berkshire
Mowlson Berkshire
Chandler - Berkshire, Somerset
Wallin Berkshire
Johnson Berkshire
Druce - Berkshire, Oxfordshire, Buckinghamshire
Gandy - Hampshire, Glamorgan
Phillips - Hampshire
Rowe - Buckinghamshire
Cook - Hampshire,
Cruse - Hampshire
Eyles - Hampshire
Leppard - Oxfordshire, Glamorgan

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Re: Silvanus Pike ca 1790 - 1878
« Reply #4 on: Monday 18 June 12 17:08 BST (UK) »
Hi

Interesting find from, Paul, especially the traveler point, perhaps accounts for their elusiveness in some areas.

There is an interesting site > http://www.thegypsypoet.co.uk/gypsy_memories.html you may like to read. It mentions the Doe's, though not Ann specifically from what I can see, or indeed Pike. It confirms their travel routes in Berks, Hants, Dorset & wilts etc.

Another point of interest was that occasionally, if a traveler had died from an accident say, it wouldn't be unusual to bury the body in a secret place, it also mentions private burial areas - not good news for family researchers!

It is not difficult to see how Sylvanus got his name, with other names such as Augustus.

It may be worth turning your research to the traveler people to go any further back.

Regards
Geoff
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Re: Silvanus Pike ca 1790 - 1878
« Reply #5 on: Monday 18 June 12 20:01 BST (UK) »
Thanks Geoff and Paul.  Yes Silvanus was definitely a traveller and his daughter Rebecca was married to my 3rd great grandfather Jabez Buckland.  The Bucklands have been relatively straightforward to trace.  I have had some success with the Does (they appear further down my tree as well) but I just can't seem to trace the Pikes - its as if they didn't exist prior to 1861.  The one thing I do know about Romanies is they often changed their names - I have tried searching under Silvanus and excluding the Pike (figuring there can't have been that many people in the world that were called Silvanus) but to no avail.

I appreciate your help
Kind regards
Emma

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Re: Silvanus Pike ca 1790 - 1878
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 23 June 12 00:21 BST (UK) »
Emma,

On FamilySearch there is this baptism at Collingbourne Kingston, Wilts:

20 Nov 1831 Honnor PYKE dau of Sylvanus & Anne

It looks as if she might have married as Hannah:
(1) 1Q 1851 PIKE Hannah / GEORGE Charles Bradfield  6 199
(2) 4Q 1861 LONG Jacob / GEORGE Hannah  Basingstoke 2c 337

Silvenus PIKE is 'Father' with the latter pair in 1871 and Neptune PIKE is their lodger in 1891.

Marriage 30 Sep 1850 at Bentley, Hampshire
Neptune PIKE son of Silvanus
Jane BRADAWAY  dau of John
[I wonder if they were there for the hop-picking?]

26 Jul 1829 Noah PIKE son of Sillvanus & Anne bap Hungerford

Have you found the burial for Silvanus 1878?


SOM/Chard/Combe St Nicholas/Ilminster:  Dean[e]/Doble/Jeffery/Burt;  DEV/Yarcombe:  Dean/Gill/Every; 
BRK/Newbury:  Westall/Green/Lewis/Canning;  WIL/Allcannings:  Hiscock/Amor;  Froxfield:  Hobbs/Green;  HAM/Kingsclere:  Martin/Hiscock/Westall;  WAR/Marton/Bubbenhall:  Glenn/Holmes;  STS/Yoxall/Hamstall Ridware/Barton-u-Needwood:  Holmes/Dainty;  STS/Brewood/Codsall/Penkridge/Hatherton:  Dean[e]; GLA/Aberdare:  Dean/Dane

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Re: Silvanus Pike ca 1790 - 1878
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 23 June 12 10:22 BST (UK) »
Do you have the PIKE baptisms listed on the "Romanyjib" site for Silvanus and Ann ?

They commence in 1815 which suggests he was born in the 1790s

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Re: Silvanus Pike ca 1790 - 1878
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 23 June 12 16:38 BST (UK) »
Yes I do thank you.  I have everything from Silvanus and Ann going forwards I just can't find out who his parents were