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Re: Robert Swan Philips of Morpeth London
« Reply #18 on: Saturday 30 June 12 23:00 BST (UK) »
Looked up reports of later Times of London and spotted the announcement of the meeting asnd name. Absolutely facinated by all this.

Have also nailed that Maria Philips of the 1851 census with a niece Mary cox were connected to Henry Dunn Philips.  Mary Cox is visiting him and his newish wife and family in 1861!

The crossword is filling out at last. ::)

Got a bit of an issue with Maria Ann Philips daughter of Robert and Maria being christened in St Georges Surrey JAMAICA at the moment in 1844.  Could Robert have been shipped out there during all the upsets of the era?

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Re: Robert Swan Philips of Morpeth London
« Reply #19 on: Saturday 30 June 12 23:50 BST (UK) »
1852 Nov 28, Hastings Sussex
John Robert FRENCH, father Francis Robert French
married
Harriot Elizabeth PHILIPS, father Robert Swan Philips

St Andrew Holborn
1842  Oct 24
Godfrey Dunn PHILIPS, full age, bachelor, Copper plate engraver, Gloucester Buildings Church Lane, father Robert Swan Philips, Accountant
Sarah Haliday CHILDS, full age, spinster, -, Gloucester Buildings Church Lane, father George Childs, Brush maker
Married after Banns
Both signed in presence of George Childs, Matilda Philips

Is this one of Robert's as well
St Mary Islington
1814 Apr 8, Alfred, s/o Robert & Elizabeth PHILIPS, Britannia Row, Army agent, born 1814 Mar 12

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CLAPHAM, PARKINSON, Leeds and London
TOMLIENS, Herefordshire and Southwark
CLARKE, Sussex, Cambridge and Shropshire
FAULCONER, MANNINGTON, RICHARDSON, TICEHURST, BROOK, ELPHICK, FURNER All Sussex
UDY, CLEMENCE/CLEMENTS,WHITE, COITE, COBELDICK, Cornwall
BROOKING, Devon, India
FERNANDEZ, London, Somerset, Herefordshire
RUSH, CARTER, GIBSON, REMINGTON, London and Surrey
CHALKLEY, OLNEY, Hertfordshire
HARRIS, Essex

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Re: Robert Swan Philips of Morpeth London
« Reply #20 on: Sunday 01 July 12 00:06 BST (UK) »
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Got a bit of an issue with Maria Ann Philips daughter of Robert and Maria being christened in St Georges Surrey JAMAICA at the moment in 1844.

Per Familysearch the mother was Mary Ann. I had thought the father must be the Robert Swan Philips born 1812
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Re: Robert Swan Philips of Morpeth London
« Reply #21 on: Sunday 01 July 12 08:07 BST (UK) »
Godfrey Dunn is My ancestor and have the paper trail, if a bit sparse. 

I think the Alfred one is, at least I put him in my pile earlier this year. I know the Original Robert had a daughter harriet but I've a feeling this Robert swan may just be Robert Swan Junior as he was born in 1812and could just have a daughter old enough to marry in 1852.

still to check on the marriages  of the rest of the family.  Thanks for confirming some of my stuff.

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Re: Robert Swan Philips of Morpeth London
« Reply #22 on: Sunday 01 July 12 09:25 BST (UK) »
Looking for Cox in Pontypool..... there's a Sarah Maria Cox born 1848,  and a Mary Ann Cox born 1850..and a possible marriage of George Cox and Matilda Ann Philipps in Pontypool in 1847
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Re: Robert Swan Philips of Morpeth London
« Reply #23 on: Sunday 01 July 12 10:42 BST (UK) »
The little girls match. Maria Cox 3 in 1851 Mary 1 in 1851
Dates tally for Matilda still being Philips in 1842.
That would make the little cox girls niece by marraige to Maria Philips poss wife of Robert Swan Philips. Makes them cousins of Henry Dunn Philips.

Have found Mary M Philips in 1841 on northern side of Belgrave square aged 50 with
Harriott e aged 20;  is this the one who Marries John Robert French?
Elizabeth A aged 15
Maria E aged 14

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Judy

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Re: Robert Swan Philips of Morpeth London
« Reply #24 on: Sunday 01 July 12 11:48 BST (UK) »
1851 - HO107/1539/353/17
1 Queen/Green St, Bethnal Green
Henry T BROOKS, head mar 36, Traveller, born Middx, Spitalfields
Maria A BROOKS, wife mar 40, born, Middx, Shoreditch
Henry J BROOKS, son 11, Scholar, born Middx, Bethnal Green
Chas R BROOKS, son 9, Scholar, born ditto
Robert BROOKS, son 7, Scholar, born ditto
Alfred E BROOKS, son 1, born ditto
Harriot E PHILIPS, sister unm 34, born Middx, Islington

Parish Chapel, St Marylebone
1838 Oct 20
Henry Thomas BROOKS, full age, bachelor, Baker, 79 Earl Street, father Chas Brooks, Engineer decd
Maria Ann PHILLIPS, full age, spinster, -, 12 Little Tower St, father Robert PHILLIPS, Gentmn
Married after Banns
Both signed in presence of David Brooks, Jane Brooks

By 1861 Maria BROOKS is a widow.

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CLAPHAM, PARKINSON, Leeds and London
TOMLIENS, Herefordshire and Southwark
CLARKE, Sussex, Cambridge and Shropshire
FAULCONER, MANNINGTON, RICHARDSON, TICEHURST, BROOK, ELPHICK, FURNER All Sussex
UDY, CLEMENCE/CLEMENTS,WHITE, COITE, COBELDICK, Cornwall
BROOKING, Devon, India
FERNANDEZ, London, Somerset, Herefordshire
RUSH, CARTER, GIBSON, REMINGTON, London and Surrey
CHALKLEY, OLNEY, Hertfordshire
HARRIS, Essex

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Re: Robert Swan Philips of Morpeth London
« Reply #25 on: Sunday 01 July 12 13:29 BST (UK) »
I found the BROOKS census this morning but thankyou for the confirmation Ian.

That marriage had eluded me so I am now very happy.  That sorts out the original Maria Ann and i have located Matilda Ann and George Cox down in Gravesend in 1861.  Sarah M (their daughter) who survives to marry in london in 67 is with them. Mary ann is visiting her cousins....

Can anybody nail Robert (the apparent bankrupt) Swan PHIL(L)IPS anywhere after 1823?  He has children so he's somewhere, possibly in a 'additional' marriage. Got a possible on Vauxall Bridge with another daughter Mary Ann in 1831. 

If I can find his death I may find his birth because I think that it may be pONTYPOOL /BRISTOL/ MONMOUTH

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Re: Robert Swan Philips of Morpeth London/ The minories/ Blackfriars
« Reply #26 on: Monday 11 December 17 20:26 GMT (UK) »
I now believe Robert was born to Edward Phillips and Sarah (nee swan) and died in 1848, at swan lane minories london. Still all wrapped up in mystery, especially what happened to Maria and or Elizabeth, weere they one and the same? If so some of the birthdate for children are a bit odd. 

Find myself on business near pontypool tomorrow and wondering whether to visit graveyards...
If anybody out there has any further ideas, particularly about Robert and Maria I'd love to know. :D

Merry Christmas

Judy