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Re: John Evans and Mary Jones_parents of Henry Robert Bennett Jones
« Reply #27 on: Wednesday 18 July 12 10:01 BST (UK) »
You will be a wreck tomorrow.

No  ;D

One of the trees has ref to these two censuses. They do look plausible:

1871

RG10/5705/5/2
Penmount square, Denio, Pwllheli

Jane Evans, 54, caprenter's wife
John Bennett Evans, 14
Evan Evans, 12

all born Pwllheli

1861
RG9/2738/96/4
Riversdale Road, Garston, Lancs

Henry Bennett, 39, gardener b. Lancashire
Ann Bennett, 40, b. Pwllheli
John Evans, visitor, 4, b.do
Mary Evans, do, 21, housemaid, b do

If this is correct, suggest that Ann could be sister of John's mother or father.

Added 20/07/12 - Have now found that Henry Bennett married  Ann Robert April 1852. This suggests that John's mother (Jane Roberts)  and Ann were sisters.

How did he get to be 'living on own means by 1891?
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Re: John Evans and Mary Jones_parents of Henry Robert Bennett Jones
« Reply #28 on: Wednesday 18 July 12 10:07 BST (UK) »
The Evans family in 1851 - looks like this is the Mary on the 1861:

HO107/2513/290/1
Mount Square, Denio

Griffith Evans, 38, ships carpenter, b. Abererch
Jane, 34
Mary,d, 11
Elizabeth,d,  5
Others b. Pwllheli
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Re: John Evans and Mary Jones_parents of Henry Robert Bennett Jones
« Reply #29 on: Wednesday 18 July 12 10:10 BST (UK) »
1841
HO107/1392/4/8/8
Denio, Pwllheli

Griffith Evans, 25, shipwright
Jane, 20
George Owen, 10 mths
All b. Caernarvonshire
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Re: John Evans and Mary Jones_parents of Henry Robert Bennett Jones
« Reply #30 on: Wednesday 18 July 12 17:19 BST (UK) »
[The Ann Morgan is on the Probate entry - she is his neighbour (at number 9)  - see my earlier postings!

Birth reg for son John Elias Jones:
Mar q, 1846, West Derby, 20 1045

A couple of marriages with John Jones and an Ann Elias on same page

Sept q, Liverpool, 1939, 2o 194
June q, Liverpool, 1940, 20 184


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Ann Morgan
I reviewed the earlier info, and see an Ann Morgans as granddaughter, 1871 census, aged 5.
I got a (lousy) copy of the document off thegenealogist.org for 1891, and confirms what you have, widow. Oops. that seems like two persons then, doubt she would have gone back to a maiden name in that time. 
So that is where I am getting granddaughter, if same person.

Marriage:
are the dates 1839 and 1840? That would make more sense than 1939, 1940 (though I am not that sharp today)




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Re: John Evans and Mary Jones_parents of Henry Robert Bennett Jones
« Reply #31 on: Wednesday 18 July 12 17:39 BST (UK) »
Brevitas -

You ARE good.

Tracking John Bennett Evans...
Makes very much sense.

1841-1871. Griffith must have passed after 1859 birth of Evan (1871 census) and in 1861 little John is with his sister, possible, at the Bennett's, where he undoubtedly wow-ed them, or they, he, and he added that name to his. Interesting. More to learn!

I saw a transcription of 1871 Census, with Jane as wife, no 'carpenter's wife' - which I am glad that you found, it is the best clue.

How did he get to be 'living on own means by 1891?


Must've been by marriage to Mary Elizabeth. He had a Lancashire connection, per your finds, staying with a relative.
The family here in the US says that they were told the family in England was wealthy, but that is not always a reliable story, sort of common to build up ancestors that way. But in this case, it may be true.

I would like to eliminate Elizabeth Jones as a mother of Mary Elizabeth, ... if mother is Ann Elias, that would be an easy, neat tie up.

But these things are not easy usually.

Like you suggested, church records for the marriage and birth of Mary Elizabeth at St. Michaels should point to it.

Is there a way to order the Will of John Jones, online? I am familiar with the Canturbury probates site, not Lancashire...

THANKS SO MUCH for all you have found, this is all very good.


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Re: John Evans and Mary Jones_parents of Henry Robert Bennett Jones
« Reply #32 on: Wednesday 18 July 12 17:41 BST (UK) »
Yep - 1839 and 1840 - it was 4.25 am when I posted  :-X

I'll amend.

I think that Ann Morgan (neighbour) must have been appointed joint executor with Hugh Owen Jones. It might be worth locating him.

Also, worth getting John Elias Evans birth cert:

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Re: John Evans and Mary Jones_parents of Henry Robert Bennett Jones
« Reply #33 on: Wednesday 18 July 12 17:55 BST (UK) »
Re wills - you'll probably have to order  York:


http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-person/willafter1858.htm

I've only ever ordered from York.

I have the full details of York but can't find the online link at the moment - try Nat Archives, wills after 1858.

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Re: John Evans and Mary Jones_parents of Henry Robert Bennett Jones
« Reply #34 on: Wednesday 18 July 12 18:02 BST (UK) »
Found it buried in a look up  that I'd been doing for someone else  ::)

http://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/probate/copies-of-grants-wills

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What if I cannot get to First Avenue House or a Registry?


You should complete the form PA1S and enclose the appropriate fee (or write and provide the full name, address and date of death of the deceased, and what documents you require). You should send the completed form or letter to:

Postal Searches and Copies Department
Leeds District Probate Registry
York House
York Place
Leeds
LS1 2BA

Please provide the full name, address and date of death of the deceased, stating what you require and enclosing the appropriate fee which is £6 for the first copy and £1 for every additional copy .

Form PA1S is accessed on the main link  :) :)
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