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John William Barnes
« on: Tuesday 07 August 12 17:23 BST (UK) »
Searching for ancestors of John William Barnes (Also known as William John Barnes). He was born 1926-04-11 Kensington, London. The birth certificate only lists his mother as Lily Barnes. Is there any way I could find his father?

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Re: John William Barnes
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 07 August 12 17:29 BST (UK) »
Hi

Little or no chance I'm afraid unless he showed his real fathers name on his marriage cert

If his marriage cert shows his father with the surname Barnes - then it's likely to be one he made up. 

Many illegitimate children either made up a fathers name or used a male relatives name when they married so they appeared "respectable"
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Re: John William Barnes
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 07 August 12 18:41 BST (UK) »
On the marriage certificate it lists someone as his father but it has guardian in brackets.

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« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 07 August 12 18:45 BST (UK) »
Do you know whether Lily married?  I wonder if the guardians name is his stepfather?
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Re: John William Barnes
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 07 August 12 18:52 BST (UK) »
On the marriage certificate it appears to say Albert Charles Robert Alder (Guardian)

On the birth certificate it says mother as Lily Barnes, domestic cook, 20 Holland Road, Kensington.

I am not sure if she was married. I have found this which may be a marriage

1921
Barnes    Lily E    Robbins    Kensington    1a   433
Robbins    Sidney R    Barnes    Kensington    1a   433

The only Lily E I can find on the 1891 census is:

BARNES       Lily Elizabeth       Dau       -       F       2               Warwickshire - Birmingham       Aston

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Re: John William Barnes
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 07 August 12 19:08 BST (UK) »
Possibility for Albert

Births December qtr 1889   
Albert Charles Alder   St. Saviour  1d 103
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Re: John William Barnes
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 07 August 12 19:13 BST (UK) »
Thank you.

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Re: John William Barnes
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 07 August 12 23:06 BST (UK) »
Is there any connection with Quebec Canada?

Jennifer
Stevens /Godfrey /Rudgley /Claridge/ Gipson /George /Bliss
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« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 08 August 12 10:24 BST (UK) »
Is there any connection with Quebec Canada?

Jennifer

Not that I know of.