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Macdonell's, Knoydart, 1773
« on: Sunday 26 August 12 03:47 BST (UK) »
I am a Minnesota, American whose MacDonald's, Macdonell's came out of Glengarry, Ontario, Canada.  I have great detail on my line back to "John (Ian) Roy (Rory) (Ruari) Macdonnell" who came to the Mohawk Valley, New York, on the ship "The Pearl", with his son Duncan, in 1773. John was a loyalist during the Revolutionary war and escaped to Ontario with his military company in 1784 and settled.  All Canadian info suggests that he was from Knoydart, but no specifics.  There were at least 7 John Macdonell's or MacDonald's on the Pearl.  John is of Hugh "Out in 45", who is of Ian Mor, of Rory, of Donald, of John Mor, of Ruari, etc. I cannot keep track of when the name changes from MacDonald to Macdonell, and then back to MacDonald in Canada.  I would so much like to pin point this family in Scotland.  I have visited Scotland once (but no one place to home in on) and will be going to Glengarry, Ontario, Canada in one week to do some Canadian research.

John's son Roderick, my 4th ggrandfather was also supposedly born in Knoydart abt 1745, his son Dougald, my 3rd ggrandfather was also supposedly born in Knoydart abt 1779.  Dougald, of Roderick, of John Roy, of Hugh - has become somewhat of a mantra for me.  If anyone has any connection or info on this families location or history. in Scotland, I would be eternally grateful!

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Re: Macdonell's, Knoydart, 1773
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 26 August 12 09:05 BST (UK) »
Have you searched for the baptisms on Scotlandspeople (parish baptism records)? Knoydart is in the parish of Glenelg in Inverness-shire.

Set the search crtiteria to “surname variants” so that will take in Macdonald/McDonnell and any other variants of the name.

http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/
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Re: Macdonell's, Knoydart, 1773
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 26 August 12 09:48 BST (UK) »
Hi staceypea

Welcome to RootsChat  :)

Assuming the family were from the established Church of Scotland, ie presbyterian, records from the Old Parish Records only seem to begin for the county of Glenelg from c. 1792 unfortunately. See here www.scotlandspeoplehub.gov.uk/pdf/list-of-oprs-57to119.pdf and in particular:

97. GLENELG

97/1 Births 1792-1820, Marriages 1804-25 Deaths -
97/2 Births 1818-1854, Marriages 1824-41 Deaths -

Other possibility is the family were Roman Catholic. Records for this are even scarcer unfortunately but you can check on the SP as linked by Elwyn Soutter above. Separate databases for Roman Catholic records available to search there.

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Re: Macdonell's, Knoydart, 1773
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 26 August 12 15:27 BST (UK) »
Him you may find the local Mallaig heritage centre of help try http://www.mallaigheritage.org.uk/services/research.htm
Best wishes

 
I am a Minnesota, American whose MacDonald's, Macdonell's came out of Glengarry, Ontario, Canada.  I have great detail on my line back to "John (Ian) Roy (Rory) (Ruari) Macdonnell" who came to the Mohawk Valley, New York, on the ship "The Pearl", with his son Duncan, in 1773. John was a loyalist during the Revolutionary war and escaped to Ontario with his military company in 1784 and settled.  All Canadian info suggests that he was from Knoydart, but no specifics.  There were at least 7 John Macdonell's or MacDonald's on the Pearl.  John is of Hugh "Out in 45", who is of Ian Mor, of Rory, of Donald, of John Mor, of Ruari, etc. I cannot keep track of when the name changes from MacDonald to Macdonell, and then back to MacDonald in Canada.  I would so much like to pin point this family in Scotland.  I have visited Scotland once (but no one place to home in on) and will be going to Glengarry, Ontario, Canada in one week to do some Canadian research.

John's son Roderick, my 4th ggrandfather was also supposedly born in Knoydart abt 1745, his son Dougald, my 3rd ggrandfather was also supposedly born in Knoydart abt 1779.  Dougald, of Roderick, of John Roy, of Hugh - has become somewhat of a mantra for me.  If anyone has any connection or info on this families location or history. in Scotland, I would be eternally grateful!


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Re: Macdonell's, Knoydart, 1773
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 26 August 12 16:33 BST (UK) »
Thank you all for your attention!  I am new to this site and it is exciting how active it is.  My Macdonell's are Roman Catholic, and mostly Jacobites.  Thanks for the link to Scotland's people, I registered on the site today and will see if I can get anything.  I am also quite interested in the mallaigeheritage resource.  Very good stuff. I'm trying to get ready for a 3 week trip to Maine, Quebec, & Glengarry Ontario for research and vacation, so I do not know how much I can do before then.  I might be able to tap into more Scotland info on John Roy when in Glengarry, Ont. The name thing is a real problem.  These MacDonald/Macdonell's gave everyone the same names which makes identification very difficult.  Fortunately, in Canada, the church records usually identify individuals by naming out at least 3 preceding generations. ie. Dougald, of Roderick, of John, of Hugh.  This is very helpful on the Canadian side for being sure that you have the right individual.  I wonder if they were doing that in Scotland in the 18th century?

Thank you so much.  You have given me a path to follow. If anything else occurs to you please advise.

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Re: Macdonell's, Knoydart, 1773
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 26 August 12 17:00 BST (UK) »

The name thing is a real problem.  These MacDonald/Macdonell's gave everyone the same names which makes identification very difficult.


Likely you are seeing Scottish naming pattern. Lots of info on the web on this. This is one site www.halmyre.abel.co.uk/Family/naming.htm

Roman Catholic records are incredibly hard to source pre 1855 and the start of official registration in Scotland  :-\ My family is from similar areas, RC and MacDonald! My 3xgrandmother was Christie Gillies from Knoydart and I have have struggled to make much headway there other than picking up on an early 1841 census entry there in Knoydart for the Gillies.

The 'last wilderness of Scotland' indeed  ;)

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Re: Macdonell's, Knoydart, 1773
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 26 August 12 17:17 BST (UK) »
Have you come across this book?

The People of Glengarry: Highlanders in Transition, 1745-1820 By Marianne McLean - google books

At least 5 mentions showing for a John Roy MacDonald which might connect to yours. I have shrunk the link down here www.rootschat.com/links/0qgf/

You will see mention there of "John Roy MacDonald who left Scotland with his pregnant wife and three young children came from Shenachaidh on the Scotus estate...." and the further links. This talk about a migration in 1786  :-\ Later than yours?

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Re: Macdonell's, Knoydart, 1773
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 26 August 12 17:24 BST (UK) »
staceypea, have to admit I get completely out of my depth with Canadian/Scottish genealogy for this very early period  :P It is quite a specialist learning of terms and references.

I found this using the search term for Shenachaidh, which again connects to a John Roy MacDonald www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~onglenga/Genweb%20Old%20Donald%20McGillis.pdf

Further mention of the Scotus Estate in Glengarry here - www.rootschat.com/links/0qgh/

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Re: Macdonell's, Knoydart, 1773
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 26 August 12 18:19 BST (UK) »
Monica,

These are both very interesting links.  The google book in particular.  When my family wasn't marrying other Macdonalds they were marrying Macdougalds and MacIntosh's etc.

I get the sense that in the 1750's the Knoydart area was reeling from the after affects of the "45". My Macdonell's were definitely military folks. It seems like Hugh, John Roy's father, who was "Out in 45" might have a trail in Scotland.  He did not come to Canada that I am aware of.  Did Scotland keep records of all the personnel involved or noted in "45"?  I connected to rootschat.com via a link re: Jacobites being transported to Barbadoes in 1747. They had a list of all of those at one particular English port and there were 28 Macdonalds but Hugh was not one of them.  What I wonder is if there are other records relative to the disposition of specific Jacobites who fought in 45.