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Re: Samuel Richard Fitzgerald, Josephine Neville
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 14 September 17 11:00 BST (UK) »
Not sure if the Irish bits are of interest but just in case they are...

From his death cert:   Samuel Richard Fitzgerald   Barrister at Law
married   1st to Eliza Jemima Newall   2 to Josephine Nevill
Died 23 March 1890 at 8 Hope Street, St Andrews
Parents - Gerald Fitzgerald, Resident Magistrate (Ireland) Deceased and Isabella, maiden surname Morton Deceased
Informant - Margaret Fitzgerald, sister, Clonmel.
So was he originally from Clonmel?

Old St. Mary's, Clonmel, Tipperary: In memoriam of Gerard FitzGerald, born and died in Clonmel, 8-11-1823, 9-11-1893, son of Gerard FitzGerald. And Isabella Morton, his wife. Marrien Mary Seymour, of York, 25-7-1854. She was born at Frome 19-8-1822, and died at Southampton 19-9-1912. Also his sister Margaret FitzGerald, born at Mortlestown Castle, 14-2-1837, died at Kingstown 26-2-14. Buried in St. Patrick's Cemetery. Blessed are the dead, which die in the Lord. Rev. 14.13.

Isabella Fitzgerald, age 74, died 1884 Clonmel district- her death certificate will eventually be available online
Probate extract for Gerald Fitzgerald of Clonmel died 9 Nov.1893-
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014907/005014907_00136.pdf
Gerald's death certificate-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1893/05983/4701544.pdf

Margaret Fitzgerald (sister of Gerald) died 1914 Kingstown-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1914/05312/4478132.pdf
Probate extract mentions Jeannette Fitzgerald Lane (spinster)
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014918/005014918_00507.pdf
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Re: Samuel Richard Fitzgerald, Josephine Neville
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 14 September 17 11:21 BST (UK) »
Margaret Fitzgerald-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Fitzwilliam/Pembroke_Street_Upper/84537

Jeanette Fitzgerald Lane executor in 1892 for mother Vida Lane (widow)-
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014907/005014907_00232.pdf
Vida Lane's death certificate-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1892/06016/4712869.pdf

Old St. Mary's Clonmel: Vi[d]a Stanley Lane, died August 1892, aged 67. Lane, Jannette FitzGerald Lane, died June 1938, aged 86

More to be found it anyone is interested
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Re: Samuel Richard Fitzgerald, Josephine Neville
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 14 September 17 11:33 BST (UK) »
Thank you! Much appreciated. I will digest and report back.

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Re: Samuel Richard Fitzgerald, Josephine Neville
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 14 September 17 11:35 BST (UK) »
Okay, just let me know when you'd like more  ;)
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Re: Samuel Richard Fitzgerald, Josephine Neville
« Reply #22 on: Friday 15 September 17 12:03 BST (UK) »
Many thanks again aghadowey, that's been useful as background.

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Re: Samuel Richard Fitzgerald, Josephine Neville
« Reply #23 on: Saturday 16 September 17 00:35 BST (UK) »
Hi Will, I have some bits and pieces, what's your interest?, regards Simon

Hey Simon, thanks. I'm interested in the adoption of Dorothy by Josephine. Are there any adoption records, who was Dorothy's mother, was there any guardian other than Josephine?

Also, any sign of a birth certificate?

So many questions, it's a real mystery.

Cheers

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Re: Samuel Richard Fitzgerald, Josephine Neville
« Reply #24 on: Saturday 16 September 17 09:15 BST (UK) »
Dorothy's 'adoption' predates official adoption in England so unless it was a legal arrangement done through a solicitor there probably won't be any paperwork.

Josephine's Will may provide provision or further details for Dorothy-
926 Fitzgerald Josephine of 52 The Close Salisbury widow died 2 November 1926 Probate Salisbury 4 December to Helen Nevill spinster and James Algernon Brown barrister-at-law. Effects £7489 8s.

Josephine's sister died 1929-
1929 Nevill Helen of 52 The Close Salisbury spinster died 6 January 1929 Probate Winchester 21 February to James Algernon Brown barrister-at-law and Gordon Tysen Legg retired ship owner. Effects £6002 11s 10d. Resworn £9345 17s 5d.

https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills
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Re: Samuel Richard Fitzgerald, Josephine Neville
« Reply #25 on: Sunday 29 October 23 19:31 GMT (UK) »
I'm also researching Josephine Fitzgerald because of a Neville/Nevill family connection but I'm fascinated by her relationship with Dorothy Lawrence.

I believe she didn't leave her anything in her will, but I've found a photo of them together and a mention of her in a letter so at some point in 1914-1919 I believe they were close and that Josephine typically used 'foster' daughters. I can't pinpoint when Dorothy was 'fostered' though?

I'd be keen to know especially as it looks like Dorothy accused Josephine's husband of abuse - though by the dates provided he was only her husband for 2 years between 1888-1890 when Dorothy was only 1-2 years old? I suspect that that allegation might have been against someone else that Dorothy was staying with at the time, but if anyone has any evidence of Dorothy and Josephine's time together or a reason for their rift at Josephine's end-of-life I'd appreciate it.