Peter Martin

[chris753]

I am researching Peter Martin, born in 1878. He may have been born in Ireland or possibly even in Boston USA. I know that he served in the Worcestershire Regiment and saw action in the Boer War, and also in Salonika in WW1. Before and after WW1, he worked in the brewhouse for Arthur Guinness in Dublin.

I believe that he had various cousins in Canada (Hamilton/Burlington) and Birmingham UK, by the name of O'Toole and Burgess.  Any info would be greatly appreciated 

[taramcdsmall]

Hi 'chris...'

What have you posted this query in County Wicklow ?

Do you have any parents names or siblings for him ?

Do you know who he married and where ?

Do you have him on any census ?

Tara

[taramcdsmall]

Hi there,

There is a Peter Martin on the 1901 Irish Census

peter martin 1901 Irish Census

He is listed as living in Dublin but born in King's County which is now called County Offaly - he is also listed as being a brewery labourer.

So, I looked at Guinness online records and found what appears to be the same chap and it states that his wife was called Catherine (which matches the census)

peter martin guinness brewery records

Tara

[taramcdsmall]

HMMM

On the 1911 Census this chap says that he is from County Dublin ?

peter martin 1911 Irish Census

Tara

[chris753]

Thanks Tara. Actually he was my grandfather.

The 1911 census shows him as being 32 and his wife Kate being 26 living at Rialto Cottages, Usher's Quay. On the 1901 census though, they are both 26 and living at Redfern Terrace, Merchant's Quay. It also lists a one-year-old daughter called Christina who does not appear on the 1911 census.

If both of these records are for the same people, then it would appear that their oldest daughter died. I shall keep plodding away.

Many thanks again Tara for your help   

[shanew147]

Thanks Tara. Actually he was my grandfather.

The 1911 census shows him as being 32 and his wife Kate being 26 living at Rialto Cottages, Usher's Quay. On the 1901 census though, they are both 26 and living at Redfern Terrace, Merchant's Quay. It also lists a one-year-old daughter called Christina who does not appear on the 1911 census.  Unless he remarried a 2nd Kate...

If both of these records are for the same people, then it would appear that their oldest daughter died. I shall keep plodding away.

Many thanks again Tara for your help   

I dont think that's the same Peter Martin.... different counties of birth - also the couple at Rialto Cottages on the 1911 census are married 8 years so c1903, and this Kate is born Co. Wicklow - the other couple appear to have been married before 1901 and this Katie born Co. Dublin.

The age for Peter on the 1911 return fits the Guinness employment record..

Do you know Catherine's maiden name ?


Shane

[shanew147]

Moderator Note : Post moved to Dublin

[shanew147]

luckily his name is not very common - just one likely match close to the city for his marriage - in Rathdown district, which covers parts of Co. Dublin and Wicklow, so could fit with places of birth given on the 1911 return...

  Name: Peter Martin
  Registration district:   Rathdown
  Event type: Marriage
  Quarter and year:   Jan - Mar 1903 
  Volume: 2 / Page : 804

a Catherine Holmes appears on the same page - so a possible cross-match
EDIT : also a Catherine Toole on the same page

finding likely births for the children to confirm Catherine's maiden name is more difficult - but there's this possible entry on the BMD index for one of the sons...

  Name: Peter Martin
  Registration district:   Dublin South
  Event type: Birth
  Quarter and year: Jan-Mar 1904
  Volume : 2 / Page:   648


Shane

[chris753]

Thanks Shane

Yes, I think that the 1901 Census entry points to a different family. It is quite likely that his wife Catherine's surname is O'Toole, as I know that there are distant cousins of that name. I believe one of her relatives (brother) was killed in WW1 and the children went into an industrial school in Birmingham. As they got older, they subsequently moved to Ontario, Canada