Archibald Allen from Carlow and Ballybrack

[shanew147]

re the 1867 marriage - might be worth trying a civil cert if you dont have one already - and check for possible military connections with occupations, and possibly a cert would also show more detailed addresses.



Shane

[taramcdsmall]

Hi again Maggie,

Also re the Archi that married Alicia............

I thought the 'train of thought' was that the other Archie was a cousin !

The 'other' Archie's baptism is on irishgenealogy and he was born 10 years before yours !

archibald allen 1822 baptism

Tara

[maggiegorey]

Hi Tara

(and Shane)

  ;DYes we do seem to have a very varied family!! Just glad they didnt end up in Oz (though it might have been easier to find them!!)

The archie born in 1822 - the reason I havent pursued him is that it would make for a VERY big difference in age between him and Catherine (I know that was'nt unusual, but somehow the other archie seems more likely)

Some of the cousins have already checked with the place in the irish Life Mall but no record for archie and catheroine.
Am beginning to wonder if its possible they married in England???

Have to go now - beback later

[taramcdsmall]

Hi Maggie

1. The reason why I didn't think the 'other' Archie was the guy that we were looking for was that the prison records which were an exact match for address for 'your' Archie confirmed that he was born in 1832 and NOT 1822 like the 'other' Archie.

2. This could be WAY out but I'm just looking at the surname Allen in Carlow

This family are Allen's from Carlow

other allen family from Carlow

I found the marriage for this Anne and her husband Richard Allen

richard allen marriage

and his occupation on his marriage is RIC !

[taramcdsmall]

How on God's green earth did I not spot this before !

archibald allen military records

Tara

[maggiegorey]

 
I dont know - was it the drink??
Actually, my cousin in UK has a copy of this I think, which is why I wondered about the military connection.

I dont knoiw if it is worth looking for a connection to the Hynes family through his service - might have a look and see if patrick served in India (Alicias father).
Might account for their meeting.

I dont know if the other Allen are a connection - there are actually a lot of Allens in Wicklow - the only tenuous connection is that Archie and Kates daughter married a chap from Bray.
If I can connect him to anyone else in the chain, I might be  on the road....!!!

[taramcdsmall]

Was there any further information on those records then that your cousin has ?

I haven't seen originals of Chelsea Pensioner's ones but other military records usually give parent's names or next of kin !

I take it then that you are running with the idea now that the Archie that married Alicia is your Archie too

Tara

[maggiegorey]

 
Yup
Not that it helps much.
It seems that the archie who was a chelsea pensioner served in india in the Bengal Lancers, and was discharged in 1862.
However none of that helps me to trace his relatives.
As far as I can remember it didnt give a next of kin.
Also, every time I try to search for eiother Alicia or Catherine (Kate) they still keep coming up as the wife(wives) of archie, but no-one seems to have been a bridesmaid at the wedding, and there DEFINITELY no camera phones present

[maggiegorey]

Just maybe (!!) found a possible link.
Archies father was given as Benjamin on the marriage cert, and his mother as elizabeth on his birth cert.
One of the family names is Amelia (variously written as Meliora ets) and Ive just found this:

  Name: Mary Elizabeth Ancelia Allen
  Baptism/Christening Date: 03 Feb 1841
  Baptism/Christening Place: Madras, Madras, India
  Birth Date: 03 Feb 1841
  Father: Benjamin Allen
  Mother: Elizabeth
  Ref.: v 20 p 166

Im convinced they are linked to Archie, but cant figure if he is his father, brother or cousin.
If he is his father, does this mean that both of them were in India at some stage??

Pass the valium!!